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It does say that and that's all it says. No where in the bill does it require patients to prove citizenship, nor does it require medical personel to ask for proof of citizenship.

Anyone that thinks illegal aliens aren't going to receive free medical care under this plan need to put that crack pipe down for a minute.

So because it doesn't specifically say that you are jumping to completely unnecessary conclusions and you are telling others to put down the crack pipe? :doh
 
So because it doesn't specifically say that you are jumping to completely unnecessary conclusions and you are telling others to put down the crack pipe? :doh

Ok, explain to us how illegals are going to be filtered out of the process, if you think I'm wrong.
 
So because it doesn't specifically say that you are jumping to completely unnecessary conclusions and you are telling others to put down the crack pipe? :doh

This smells of right wing talk radio, of which i listen to it daily due to the sheer humor effect.
 
So because it doesn't specifically say that you are jumping to completely unnecessary conclusions and you are telling others to put down the crack pipe? :doh

Are you serious????

If it does NOT SPECIFICALLY say that proof must be given, do you think illegals are going to admit that they are in the country illegally or are they going to lie so that they get free health care at our expense????

I really can't believe you said that.
 
Ok, explain to us how illegals are going to be filtered out of the process, if you think I'm wrong.

Are you serious????

If it does NOT SPECIFICALLY say that proof must be given, do you think illegals are going to admit that they are in the country illegally or are they going to lie so that they get free health care at our expense????

I really can't believe you said that.

We don't have the final bill. We do not know whether or not proof of citizenship will be required. So, at the end of the day, you two are making assumptions.
 
Ok, explain to us how illegals are going to be filtered out of the process, if you think I'm wrong.

Just because it doesn't spell it out how you'd like doesn't mean that it's a legitimate or reasonable conclusion to reach.
 
Just because it doesn't spell it out how you'd like doesn't mean that it's a legitimate or reasonable conclusion to reach.

If the bill doesn't say it, then it doesn't exist. If there's no way to insure that illegal aliens aren't going to be soaking up medical treatment under this bill, then the only other thing that can possibly happen, is that illegals will be treated, possibly without paying for that treatment. Can you quote the part of the bill that will filter the illegals out of the process?
 
Are you serious????

If it does NOT SPECIFICALLY say that proof must be given, do you think illegals are going to admit that they are in the country illegally or are they going to lie so that they get free health care at our expense????

I really can't believe you said that.

I'm not saying that some won't slip in and I agree that better attention should be given to that so that it doesn't happen. However, many of the assertions I've heard from people on the right are that illegals will get health care like the bill somehow says that, which it doesn't. It's disingenuous at best.
 
We don't have the final bill. We do not know whether or not proof of citizenship will be required. So, at the end of the day, you two are making assumptions.

HR 3200 is the bill we are talking about. And we do know what it says.

Personally, I prefer not to wait until the bill is passed to discuss its pros and cons.
 
Just because it doesn't spell it out how you'd like doesn't mean that it's a legitimate or reasonable conclusion to reach.

Whoa Deja Vu didn't we go through this with Apbst on the Death Panels claim? Even though its not in the bill somehow it must be in the bill. Breast implants for any girl below a C. Hell its not in the bill but somehow thats what it means.
 
I'm not saying that some won't slip in and I agree that better attention should be given to that so that it doesn't happen. However, many of the assertions I've heard from people on the right are that illegals will get health care like the bill somehow says that, which it doesn't. It's disingenuous at best.

If illegals get health coverage, then it doesn't matter if the bill says it outright or allows them to come in the back door.

Republicans have tried to put requirements for proof of citizenship in the bill many times and were shot down by the dems each time.
 
HR 3200 is the bill we are talking about. And we do know what it says.

Personally, I prefer not to wait until the bill is passed to discuss its pros and cons.
I'm not suggesting we wait until the bill is passed, I'm suggesting you stop jumping to conclusions.
 
If the bill doesn't say it, then it doesn't exist. If there's no way to insure that illegal aliens aren't going to be soaking up medical treatment under this bill, then the only other thing that can possibly happen, is that illegals will be treated, possibly without paying for that treatment. Can you quote the part of the bill that will filter the illegals out of the process?

No the bill doesn't specifically say that, but it also isn't something that one should assume will happen. We don't know what the process will be when all is said and done. It would be in their best interest implement some kind of a filter to make sure that it doesn't happen, and they may do that. If not, then frankly I don't care because I'm willing to bet the numbers will be insignificant and small. Though, it is worthy of criticism. Perhaps we should wait and see what will happen before making assumptions.
 
Whoa Deja Vu didn't we go through this with Apbst on the Death Panels claim? Even though its not in the bill somehow it must be in the bill. Breast implants for any girl below a C. Hell its not in the bill but somehow thats what it means.

I never said that the bill said anything about death panels. I did, however, ask numerous times what was meant by the language of the bill sayin that, "the scretary would give an order for the sustainment of life", and never got an answer.
 
I'm not suggesting we wait until the bill is passed, I'm suggesting you stop jumping to conclusions.

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I'm not suggesting we wait until the bill is passed, I'm suggesting you stop jumping to conclusions.

Jumping to conclusions?????

Are you really serious??

Have we been discussing HR3200 or some fantasy health plan that no one has submittted????
 
If illegals get health coverage, then it doesn't matter if the bill says it outright or allows them to come in the back door.

Republicans have tried to put requirements for proof of citizenship in the bill many times and were shot down by the dems each time.

I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?

Illegal immigrants will get free health insurance.
The House bill doesn't give anyone free health care (though under a 1986 law illegals who can't pay do get free emergency care now, courtesy of all us premium paying customers or of hospitals that have to eat the cost). Will they be eligible for subsidies to buy health insurance? The House bill says that "individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States" will not be allowed to receive subsidies.

The claim that taxpayers will wind up subsidizing health insurance for illegal immigrants has its origins in the defeat of an amendment, offered in July by Republican Rep. Dean Heller of Nevada, to require those enrolling in a public plan or seeking subsidies to purchase private insurance to have their citizenship verified. Flecksoflife.com claimed on July 19 that "HC [health care] will be provided 2 all non US citizens, illegal or otherwise." Rep. Steve King of Iowa spread the claim in a USA Today op-ed on Aug. 20, calling the explicit prohibition on such coverage "functionally meaningless" absent mandatory citizenship checks, and it's now gone viral. Can we say that none of the estimated 11.9 million illegal immigrants will ever wangle insurance subsidies through identity fraud, pretending to be a citizen? You can't prove a negative, but experts say that Medicare—the closest thing to the proposals in the House bill—has no such problem.

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If illegals get health coverage, then it doesn't matter if the bill says it outright or allows them to come in the back door.

Republicans have tried to put requirements for proof of citizenship in the bill many times and were shot down by the dems each time.

So are you saying that the bill only says that citizens will get health care because they are trying to make it appear like they care about that issue without actually doing anything about it? If so, that may be, but you don't have any proof of this. Plus, we don't know what will happen on down the line. Like I said, I honestly don't care that much if a few slip in which will probably be all that it will amount to.
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?

Try reading some of the posts in this thread before jumping in at the end.

The method that illegals can get free health care has already been shown many times in this thread.

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Jumping to conclusions?????

Are you really serious??

Have we been discussing HR3200 or some fantasy health plan that no one has submittted????
What are you having a hard time grasping? Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions before we even have the final bill is asinine.
 
No the bill doesn't specifically say that, but it also isn't something that one should assume will happen.

It's happening now. What mechanics of this bill is going to stop that?



We don't know what the process will be when all is said and done.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to figure all that out, then pass it? Call me crazy, but I think we should.

It would be in their best interest implement some kind of a filter to make sure that it doesn't happen, and they may do that.

But, the fact is, they haven't put controls in place to keep illegals from receiving health care under this bill, probably at the tax payers's expense.

If not, then frankly I don't care because I'm willing to bet the numbers will be insignificant and small.


There are 20 million illegals in this country. How can the numbers be insignificant and small?
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?

Yes, but it doesn't spell it out enough to the liking of some, so they are jumping to conclusions about it.
 
So are you saying that the bill only says that citizens will get health care because they are trying to make it appear like they care about that issue without actually doing anything about it? If so, that may be, but you don't have any proof of this. Plus, we don't know what will happen on down the line. Like I said, I honestly don't care that much if a few slip in which will probably be all that it will amount to.

If you consider 10 million illegals "a few", then we don't have much more to discuss.
 
What are you having a hard time grasping? Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions before we even have the final bill is asinine.

You're assuming that the bill will prevent illegal aliens from getting free health care under Obamacare.
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?


It does say that, but there's nothing in the bill requiring proof of citizenship.
 
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