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Presidential Address

First: I could care less about Iraq's constitution.

Second: I find it interesting that you lament the name calling and dissent, then proceed to disparage others as "fanatical, partisan and immature with their irrational hatred".

What were you saying about "only irrational and ignorant people think like that."?

Saying someone is evil for believing in universal health care is ignorant and irrational, is Social Security, Medicare, public education, all public services evil? Is the US a socialist republic because of it? Obviously not.
 
Not a real word. FAIL

Lol you calling the dictionary a liar now too?

Idiotry is a real word just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean its not a real word. I'm sure there are plenty of real words in old english that you would claim aren't real words either.

Idiotry definition by Babylon's free dictionary

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idiotry - definition of idiotry by the Online Dictionary from Datasegment.com

idiotry - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Damn those liberal dictionaries they must be elitist for putting in words you've never heard of.
 
What did everyone think?
Interesting, how on Tuesday The Obama talks to kids about personal responsibility, on Wednesday He talks to the rest of the people about how everyone is responsible for everyone else, and how, on both counts, the partisan hack Democrats are falling over themselves in praise.
 
It was more of the same garbage in a different wrapper. I guess PBO seems to think that if he sells the the same BS a different way that people will believe it.

That was your original response? Really?

It sounded pretty new and pretty clear. He took it back. It was garbage at 8est and by 9est it he cleaned it up.

If you don't agree with the points he outlined then I cannot see how else we can efficiently reform health care: Reform of outlandish and "grossly profitable at the expense of the sick" kinds of insurance policies, medical malpractice reform, McCain's ideas, demonstration projects (to test results), and yes, a public option for use by those who have NO option.

Please tell us your suggestions...
 
you're a personality whore, limit

and you're wrong, i got it off the notes i took off the speech

I don't believe a word a plaigarist says.

You got it from Luntz moments after his views were broadcasted.

Totally pathetic.
 
What did everyone think?

My thoughts: His speech was divisive, it lacked substance and it was patently juvenile in that he acted like some kind of school ground bully that dared anyone to challenge his program.

The notion that this “post turtle” is a healer and going to bring us all together is about as hysterical as his outright LIES about how much this boondoggle will cost.

:2wave:
 
I liked the fact that he had a moderate position, and he did address some of the concerns I had with the plan. On the other hand I was angry that he isnt including tort reform into this bill.
 
I liked the fact that he had a moderate position, and he did address some of the concerns I had with the plan. On the other hand I was angry that he isnt including tort reform into this bill.

Why is that?
 
Nice deflection.

Answer the question. I'll even repost it for you.

What happened to Bush during addresses before a joint session of Congress?
Nice try at changing the meaning of my statement, which you plainly knew. Bush was constantly raked over the coals for 8 years at every turn. Did a single person on the Dem side stand up at such a speech and say, "You lie", I don't think so. The big picture is not what the Congressman said, but what Obama said. The topic is Presidential Address, not Congressman's Outburst. It's about criticizing the content of Obama's speech.
 
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No, the 30mil is those who cannot get insurance, primarily b/c of affordability.

So you are claiming that there are many more than 30 million that don't have insurance???

No, you are very wrong.

There is no proof of citizenship required to purchase insurance in the Exchange to be created, there is proof of citizenship required to receive any federal money to do so. The bills allow no free or subsidized coverage to any illegal alien.

Wrong again. There is NO requirement that citizenship be proven. You haven't been keeping up with this bill have you?

If you still think I'm wrong, I'll be waiting patiently for any proof that you can dredge up.

But I won't be holding my breath.
 
really like to hear from any Repubs who can be honest & as non-partisan as they can be. The mechanics of the speech.....Was it delivered well?

On the whole, yes it was a very well delivered speech. He is articulate and commanding with the language he uses though he does come off very smug and arrogant at many points in his speech...especially the opening. It also smacks of a weakness of character being covered by a facade of confidence...that if he projects that he will make this happen, it will happen. I just don't buy into it...he didn't sell it to me at all. But, in truth, he had a snowball's chance in hell of selling it to me to start with so I confess my bias in that regard.

I don't want any part of nationalized health care, some "public option"...nothing. I have worked to secure my health care for myself and my partner and I don't want any part of having to pay for those who haven't made efforts to do the same. The only exception is that I believe we could expand health care for disadvantaged children but beyond that....no, it is a personal responsibility issue.

Basically, this speech was just a continuation of the same complaint I have had all along with BHO: he speaks well but his lack of experience and ability are still glaring when the pretty speech is over. And the emerging complaint since he has been in office is that his priorities are skewed.
 
That was your original response? Really?

It sounded pretty new and pretty clear. He took it back. It was garbage at 8est and by 9est it he cleaned it up.

If you don't agree with the points he outlined then I cannot see how else we can efficiently reform health care: Reform of outlandish and "grossly profitable at the expense of the sick" kinds of insurance policies, medical malpractice reform, McCain's ideas, demonstration projects (to test results), and yes, a public option for use by those who have NO option.

Please tell us your suggestions...

My suggestion? I say we deregulate the insurance industry.
 
So you are claiming that there are many more than 30 million that don't have insurance???

No, you are very wrong.



Wrong again. There is NO requirement that citizenship be proven. You haven't been keeping up with this bill have you?

If you still think I'm wrong, I'll be waiting patiently for any proof that you can dredge up.

But I won't be holding my breath.


Sorry, Gill, you are wrong. There are many millions more that don't have insurance. You can see the Kaiser Commission report (link posted earlier in the thread), or a brand new Census report, out just this am. Here is a TP post on the report, follow many intra-article links to source data:


Census report: Number of uninsured Americans grows to 46.3 million.

A new Census report finds that, in 2008, the number of people without health insurance increased from from 45.7 million to 46.3 million (the number of uninsured has increased by 7.3 million since 2000). The report suggests that a weakened economy and rising health care costs are pushing more Americans towards so-called safety-net coverage. According to the data, “the percentage of people covered by government health insurance programs increased to 29.0 percent in 2008,” up from from 27.8 percent in 2007. The uninsured rate declined significantly for Americans under 18 and over 65 — the two groups who are eligible for government-sponsored coverage. The Wonk Room has more on the importance of public programs.

Update Pat Garofalo highlights the new poverty data: The poverty rate has risen to an eleven-year high of 13.2 percent, with 39.8 million people in poverty (an additional 8.3 million people fall below the poverty line under Bush).
Think Progress Census report: Number of uninsured Americans grows to 46.3 million.



Further, re: citizenship -- please scroll back thru thread. Multiple links and posts have been submitted.

You *cannot* be an illegal alien and qualify for federal money under HR3200, or any of the bills in Congress.
There is no citizenship requirement for *purchasing* insurance in the proposed insurance market, the Exchange, but there is no citizenship requirement for purchasing insurance or health care now. If an illegal alien DID purchase insurance in the Exchange, they would pay full freight, b/c they would not be eligible for any federal subsidies at all.
 
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If the speech was "delivered well," what would that mean?
 
Why is that?

Because that is one of the most important problems we have in our Health Care system. We should limit the damages awarded, and lower the premiums payed by doctors and Hospitals. I also was upset that they arent discussing ways to increase number of doctors and nurses.
 
If the speech was "delivered well," what would that mean?
Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)
 
Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)

We are always honest about what PBO does.
 
Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)

It sounds more like, to me, that you were extorting the "anti-Obama types" into agreeing that Obama is "cool" with the threat that if they don't agree with you on this, then they are just irrational. It just seems like you are trying to extort a congruency of opinion that just isn't there.
 
Charles Manson was a great orator, too.
Point taken, but in re Manson
I take it you have never listened to the freak. He's more of a rambler. If you're all hopped on hallucinogens he'd prob'ly hit some resonant chords that you could fill in with your own assumptions and think he was profound--kind of like astrologists and cold readers--but over all he's mostly incoherent.
 
Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)
My response was BRUTALLY honest.
 
Because that is one of the most important problems we have in our Health Care system. We should limit the damages awarded, and lower the premiums payed by doctors and Hospitals. I also was upset that they arent discussing ways to increase number of doctors and nurses.
except when we've limited damages awarded, malpractice premiums HAVE NOT decreased. why?
 
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
So much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

There are many reasons to be upset w/ the PotUSA, but all these trumped up baseless charges are getting the more attention. This sort of morass is hurtingthe cause against Obama. Imho.
 
Because that is one of the most important problems we have in our Health Care system. We should limit the damages awarded, and lower the premiums payed by doctors and Hospitals. I also was upset that they arent discussing ways to increase number of doctors and nurses.

I respectfully disagree 100 per cent.

If a hospital, doctor or surgeon screws up, than they should have have to pay.

Why should there be a limit?

I knew a four year child who went in for routine surgery, and the anestiosologist somehow screwed up, and you know what happened?

The kid ended up braindead.

I'm sorry Oxy, but no I do not think there should be a limit on malpractice lawsuits.

Your kid ends up braindead for life and all of a sudden you can only sue for 200,000, 300,00, 400,000 thousand?

Bullsnot.
 
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