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Presidential Address

Unlike you Sir I beleive in the US Constitution and the President can;t go and make the comment he just made they are clear violation of the Constitution by saying if you try to use your 1st Adm we will go after you is Treason.

As for the Birth Cert, well you know allot could have been made to go away if he just tells HW. to release the Long Form he does have that power. Sort of like when Mr. W. Bush Military records ere released that story went away also.

Unlike you sir, I actually understand the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights. You're wrong, because Pres. Obama did not violate any anti-riot laws, and he had no inclination to incite such riot, or violent action.
 
You don't honestly believe that do you?

Response

"It's clear the American people want health care reform, but they want their elected leaders to get it right. Most Americans wanted to hear the President tell Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid and the rest of Congress that it's time to start over on a common-sense, bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality. That's what I heard over the past several months in talking to thousands of my constituents.


Replacing your family's current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. In fact, it'll make health care much more expensive. That's not just my personal diagnosis as a doctor or a Republican; it's the conclusion of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office – the neutral scorekeeper that determines the cost of major bills"


That was flat out what they said. You believed dear leaders goals speech that costs nothing right?
 
Unlike you Sir I beleive in the US Constitution and the President can;t go and make the comment he just made they are clear violation of the Constitution by saying if you try to use your 1st Adm we will go after you is Treason.

As for the Birth Cert, well you know allot could have been made to go away if he just tells HW. to release the Long Form he does have that power. Sort of like when Mr. W. Bush Military records ere released that story went away also.

You believe in a constitution that you don't seem to know. Wow you just showed us your true colors just another birther. No people stopped asking questions when Dan Rather couldn't authenticate the documents he had. Nowhere did Bush release all his records and even his own campaign admitted records were missing and there's still that missing year. Not even close to claiming the President wasn't born in this country even though he already showed a prima facie birth certificate. False equivalency on your part.

Your screamers at the town hall would be guilty of high treason under your lack of logic. What he said was not a violation of the first nowhere did he take away free speech. He said he would call them out just like you're being called out for your idiocy.
 
Unlike you sir, I actually understand the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights. You're wrong, because Pres. Obama did not violate any anti-riot laws, and he had no inclination to incite such riot, or violent action.

Yes he did when he stated that he will go after anyone who speaks out against the Health Care Bill.
 
A desire for actual common sense reform and not another government takeover is bad behavior?

Oh, my bad. Where I come from. Talking out your ass and screaming crazy **** is considered bad behavior.

Every complaint Republicans had about the treatment of GW. Could easily be used against their treatment of Obama. From a policy standpoint. Not much has changed since Bush left. Though by the way Republicans and Democrats have switched tactics. You would think we were talking about two completely different nations.
 
Yes he did when he stated that he will go after anyone who speaks out against the Health Care Bill.

No he didn't. Just another one of your misinterpretations of the constitution this goes up there with your misunderstanding of the roles of the house and senate. He did not say he will go after them he said he'll call out their stupidity much like you're being called out for yours
 
Response

"It's clear the American people want health care reform, but they want their elected leaders to get it right. Most Americans wanted to hear the President tell Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid and the rest of Congress that it's time to start over on a common-sense, bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality. That's what I heard over the past several months in talking to thousands of my constituents.


Replacing your family's current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. In fact, it'll make health care much more expensive. That's not just my personal diagnosis as a doctor or a Republican; it's the conclusion of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office – the neutral scorekeeper that determines the cost of major bills"


That was flat out what they said. You believed dear leaders goals speech that costs nothing right?

:lol: You're quoting a Republican Congressmen, based on what he says he got from the Congressional Budget Office. You of course have no proof he actually recieved anything, and you have nothing but his word, against our President's word....I wonder which one trumps which?
 
Response

"It's clear the American people want health care reform, but they want their elected leaders to get it right. Most Americans wanted to hear the President tell Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid and the rest of Congress that it's time to start over on a common-sense, bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality. That's what I heard over the past several months in talking to thousands of my constituents.


Replacing your family's current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. In fact, it'll make health care much more expensive. That's not just my personal diagnosis as a doctor or a Republican; it's the conclusion of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office – the neutral scorekeeper that determines the cost of major bills"


That was flat out what they said. You believed dear leaders goals speech that costs nothing right?


I don't believe Obama can pull of his reform without significantly increasing our costs. However I also don't believe Republicans are interested in common sense nor bipartisanship.
 
You believe in a constitution that you don't seem to know. Wow you just showed us your true colors just another birther. No people stopped asking questions when Dan Rather couldn't authenticate the documents he had. Nowhere did Bush release all his records and even his own campaign admitted records were missing and there's still that missing year. Not even close to claiming the President wasn't born in this country even though he already showed a prima facie birth certificate. False equivalency on your part.

Your screamers at the town hall would be guilty of high treason under your lack of logic. What he said was not a violation of the first nowhere did he take away free speech. He said he would call them out just like you're being called out for your idiocy.

Did I say I was a Birther nope I just pointed out a simple fact the quickest way to stop all of that nonsense is to have the Long Form released.

Hmm really how many town Halls did you go to hun Junior I attend a few and not one of them had any screamers yes some did but 98% of them didn't have any screaming most of them had allot of tough question but then again you might not no the difference with your Obamaglass's on.
 
Unlike you Sir I beleive in the US Constitution and the President can;t go and make the comment he just made they are clear violation of the Constitution by saying if you try to use your 1st Adm we will go after you is Treason.

As for the Birth Cert, well you know allot could have been made to go away if he just tells HW. to release the Long Form he does have that power. Sort of like when Mr. W. Bush Military records ere released that story went away also.

don't falciiously accuse me of not beliveing in the constitution since I just as you did 9 I believe that you did ) put my life on the line for the constitution.


The right of free speech does not mean that you have the open right to lie and or bear false witness against your fellow citizens. If you say that someone has the right to lie against another person under the free speech amendment then you have to beleive that the person who was the target of the lies has the right to defend himself.

If you aacuse me of wanating to set up death panels and there is no proof that I am doing that and yes you have the right of free speech to be stupid but I have every right to call yoou out on that lie and that is not a violation of the Constitutiion. We are both excersizing our rights.
 
Did I say I was a Birther nope I just pointed out a simple fact the quickest way to stop all of that nonsense is to have the Long Form released.

Hmm really how many town Halls did you go to hun Junior I attend a few and not one of them had any screamers yes some did but 98% of them didn't have any screaming most of them had allot of tough question but then again you might not no the difference with your Obamaglass's on.

AGain you're pulling the your nonexistant experience card. Honestly, shut up about going and "doing" more then us. This discussion is about what you say Obama said, and what the people in that 2%were saying, so what you're syaing about your "experience" is nothing but BS.
 
Turns out GOP Congressman Joe Wilson yelled out "Liar" in the well of Congress at the POTUS. That alone should cost the GOP even more seats next year!:2mad:

http://www.joewilson.house.gov/ Wilson's Home page
 
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Turns out GOP Congressman Joe Wilson yelled out "Liar" in the well of Congress at the POTUS. That alone should cost the GOP even more seats next year!

The best part of the GOP is that they kill their own chances for re-election :lol:
 
They are trying to kill any HC reform & we all know it! (listen to your own Jim DeMint)




"I'm swinging on this issue," DeMint said in an interview. "If I can stop a government takeover, I will. . . . It's not personal. It's not political. It's about stopping a bad policy."


Meh. I looked him up. What you think he said he did not say.

No one opposes health care reform. Just the bill on the table with no visible means to pay for it.
 
Did I say I was a Birther nope I just pointed out a simple fact the quickest way to stop all of that nonsense is to have the Long Form released.

No because that won't do a damn thing. You can't reason with unreasonable people. You release the long form they'll claim its fake, that it was photocopied that's why all the requests for every other document about him. If you give a mouse a cookie he'll ask for a glass of milk.

Hmm really how many town Halls did you go to hun Junior I attend a few and not one of them had any screamers yes some did but 98% of them didn't have any screaming most of them had allot of tough question but then again you might not no the difference with your Obamaglass's on.

How do both none of the town halls have screamers but some did? Those two statements are directly contradictory. So those screameers under your lack of logic would be considered traitors to this country.. Again according to you because they are violating the first amendment.

Obama glasses? Again your stupidity shows clear. I defend your right to make any stupid statement you like but I also have a right to call you out on it. You saying a president is committing high treason based on you not liking his policies and then getting called out on it has nothing to do with Obama and who supports him. Its not just supporters of Obama calling you out for your stupidity
 
Did anyone hear that Boustany guy from Louisiana who delivered the GOP response ? Did he listen to the speech before he responded ?

That guys is a Dr. and he was charged about 3 times with malpractice. So I can understand why he was so charged up on "tort reform".

THat Bousany guy was also a victim of a fraud scheme. He paid money to a fraudster who was "selling" him a British tiltle such as Lord Loiue or Duke of Earl or Lord of the Levies since he is from Louisiana.
 
So the plan doesn't include illegal immigrants? That should have been the first thing we learned about the plan.
 
I think the President did great job of clearly explaining himself. It is going too be interesting to see how the whacko's react to this type of in your face diplomacy....:2wave:
 
Give me a break!:2no4:

Opposing a government takeover is not opposing reform. It really is not that difficult to understand.

I agree there are some yahoos looking for political advantage. I just dont see it in this particular guy.
 
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I think the President did great job of clearly explaining himself. It is going too be interesting to see how the whacko's react to this type of in your face diplomacy....:2wave:

What did he explain exactly besides his goals which are neither new nor opposed?

I would have liked a detailed analysis of the payment plan personally.
 
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