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Presidential Address

Redress said:
I don't think this will have a real impact on his poll rating, but might help him with congress.
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He really just rallied the Democrats, and shunned the Republicans. Between calling them liars, and going on about what they clearly don't like...he's hurting himself in that respect.
 
apdst said:
Will you please stop suggesting that anyone give a rat's ass that he's black?

Redress is going to get on your ass for playing the race card.
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I don't like to accuse people of racism and did not do that before but when people pull high treason out of their asses becaue they disagree with with the president over a proposed policy on healthcare what else can we be the excuse. Disagree on the potential costs of the plan, the doability, the question of whether healthcare is a right or privelege but if a so called debater can only come up with "high treason" give me a break !!

by using the "race card" I did that purposely to fight fire with fire, the outrageous with the outrageous.. extremism vs extremism..
 
Devil505 said:
GOP votes???....He isn't going to get any anyway!! (maybe Olympia Snowe & that's about it anyway. He had nothing to lose)
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If he was, he's sure as hell not getting them now.
 
emdash said:
probably, but at least he isn't a butt-kissing moderate.
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Quite proud to say, that he has finally put his foot down on an issue. In that respect, he has been much to nice to the Republicans.
 
repeter said:
He really just rallied the Democrats, and shunned the Republicans. Between calling them liars, and going on about what they clearly don't like...he's hurting himself in that respect.
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acually I think that he showed that he had brass ones. The crap such death panels is so outrageous that it only deserves one response and that response is what the president gave them - you lie ....
 
F107HyperSabr said:
I don't like to accuse people of racism and did not do that before but when people pull high treason out of their asses becaue they disagree with with the president over a proposed policy on healthcare what else can we be the excuse. Disagree on the potential costs of the plan, the doability, the question of whether healthcare is a right or privelege but if a so called debater can only come up with "high treason" give me a break !!

by using the "race card" I did that purposely to fight fire with fire, the outrageous with the outrageous.. extremism vs extremism..
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Theres a difference between talking loudly, and obstructing conversation, and many believe that line was crossed. Will anything happen? Probably not.

And 2 wrongs don't make a right.
 
Redress said:
I don't think this will have a real impact on his poll rating, but might help him with congress.
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I think that the positive effects will last 3-4 days .. but what he did show that he will show a fight and he did not show that earlier or not often enough.
 
repeter said:
He was quite hard on them, and I think that might backfire when he needs votes.
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I'm not sure he needs their votes. I'm also sure that Republicans have no intention of voting for any health care reform bill that both Obama and Democrats support. How can they after the way they have behaved?
 
AndrewC said:
I'm not sure he needs their votes. I'm also sure that Republicans have no intention of voting for any health care reform bill that both Obama and Democrats support. How can they after the way they have behaved?
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Well thats a good point, but that doesn't necessarily mean we should shut the door on inviting them to the table. Any purely partisan bill won't work, regardless of quality. You need p.o.v.'s on both side to help balance it out.
 
AndrewC said:
I'm not sure he needs their votes. I'm also sure that Republicans have no intention of voting for any health care reform bill that both Obama and Democrats support. How can they after the way they have behaved?
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He doesn't need them. As long as he can keep the Blue Dogs dems in line, that's all he needs. Come to think of it....I think the GOP tried to stop medicaid in the 1960's too.

Always on the wrong side!
 
It won't pass the Blue Dogs have enough votes to stop it or is Mr. Obama going to go up against the Blue Dogs also, if so then he will loss anything he wants to try to do.
 
repeter said:
Well thats a good point, but that doesn't necessarily mean we should shut the door on inviting them to the table. Any purely partisan bill won't work, regardless of quality. You need p.o.v.'s on both side to help balance it out.
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It will include many GOP desires (like tort reform) even without a single GOP vote.
 
I liked the laudible goals but as usual there was no way to get there presented. I saw some polling numbers and they were nearly the same as when president Clinton attempted this.

Bottom line of the presentation was everything is going to be fine and cost nothing.

Now does anyone actually believe any of that?
 
Well it will cost less than the bush tax cuts that the republicans rammed through to which we saw no real benefit
 
akyron said:
I liked the laudible goals but as usual there was no way to get there presented. I saw some polling numbers and they were nearly the same as when president Clinton attempted this.

Bottom line of the presentation was everything is going to be fine and cost nothing.

Now does anyone actually believe any of that?
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Well, I don't think any of us can really talk about a theoritical thing. We need to wait and see on this.
 
repeter said:
Theres a difference between talking loudly, and obstructing conversation, and many believe that line was crossed. Will anything happen? Probably not.

And 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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maybe two wrongs do not make a right but conversation and debate is cut off when someone says that someone such as a president should be brought up on chatrges of treason because he proposed a policy that you do not agree with. The same thing with trying to reason with the birther idiots. If you shoe them the birth certificate they say it's only a picture or it's a short form or it's a cert of live birth.. what can you do with those idiots pass the origonal paper BC to all the millions of the haters. ?
 
AndrewC said:
How can they after the way they have behaved?
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A desire for actual common sense reform and not another government takeover is bad behavior?
 
Scorpion89 said:
It won't pass the Blue Dogs have enough votes to stop it or is Mr. Obama going to go up against the Blue Dogs also, if so then he will loss anything he wants to try to do.
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I think tonight's speech sealed the fate of the anti-HC obstructionists on both sides of the aisle. Obama did what he dos best....Got American voters on his side.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
maybe two wrongs do not make a right but conversation and debate is cut off when someone says that someone such as a president should be brought up on chatrges of treason because he proposed a policy that you do not agree with. The same thing with trying to reason with the birther idiots. If you shoe them the birth certificate they say it's only a picture or it's a short form or it's a cert of live birth.. what can you do with those idiots pass the origonal paper BC to all the millions of the haters. ?
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I was actually referring to the loud-mouthed idiots in the town-hall debates. As for accusing the President of high treason....if Bush didn't get convicted, and sentenced for it, Obama shouldn't even be accused of it.

And nevertheless, when fighting an idiocracy, you need to stay above, and try to avoid taking potshots at 'em, due to moral implications....
 
akyron said:
A desire for actual common sense reform and not another government takeover is bad behavior?
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They are trying to kill any HC reform & we all know it! (listen to your own Jim DeMint)
 
F107HyperSabr said:
maybe two wrongs do not make a right but conversation and debate is cut off when someone says that someone such as a president should be brought up on chatrges of treason because he proposed a policy that you do not agree with. The same thing with trying to reason with the birther idiots. If you shoe them the birth certificate they say it's only a picture or it's a short form or it's a cert of live birth.. what can you do with those idiots pass the origonal paper BC to all the millions of the haters. ?
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Unlike you Sir I beleive in the US Constitution and the President can;t go and make the comment he just made they are clear violation of the Constitution by saying if you try to use your 1st Adm we will go after you is Treason.

As for the Birth Cert, well you know allot could have been made to go away if he just tells HW. to release the Long Form he does have that power. Sort of like when Mr. W. Bush Military records ere released that story went away also.
 
repeter said:
I was actually referring to the loud-mouthed idiots in the town-hall debates. As for accusing the President of high treason....if Bush didn't get convicted, and sentenced for it, Obama shouldn't even be accused of it.

And nevertheless, when fighting an idiocracy, you need to stay above, and try to avoid taking potshots at 'em, due to moral implications....
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agree but by patience was exhousted
 
Devil505 said:
I think tonight's speech sealed the fate of the anti-HC obstructionists on both sides of the aisle. Obama did what he dos best....Got American voters on his side.
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Not even close the 20 Blue Dogs have already stated today and yesterday no matter what Mr. Obama said they were going ot vote against and Health Care Bill that is more then enough to kill it. Just like they did with Mr. Clinton the Dems can't afford to go up against the Blue Dogs if they take them on then all of what Mr. Obama might try to do will come to a crashing hault.

Don't forget most of the Blue Dogs are in position of powwr on the right sub-committies.
 
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