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Presidential Address

Sorry if you speak out against it you will be hunted down that is what Mr. Obama is saying. He has declared war on the Middle Class big mistake the last time a Dem tried this She got smack around for it.

Not even close to what he is saying. If he meant that he would say that. He said people who misrepresent the plan like the "deathers" will be called out and told how and why they are wrong. Just like how others are calling you out here. It's not a violation of your freedom of speech for calling you out for making a stupid statement
 
oh so your saying that all the folks who have been showing up at town hall meeting voicing their opposition to health bill are crazy :shock:

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Yes!
 
Oh so your saying that all the folks who have been showing up at Town Hall meeting voicing their opposition to Health Bill are Crazy :shock:

There's a difference between voicing opposition and shouting everyone down without letting anyone speak. In your mind those shouting people down should be tried for high treason for violating the 1st amendment of others
 
Anyone else watch the speech on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads?
 
deadest room in decades

you've never seen the party in power offer less support to its leader in such a setting

it's not cuz they're against him, it's cuz they're totally dispirited

he needs to provide answers and he's still saying the exact same stuff which got his party exactly where it is

the room actually laughed at him, even his own side, when he said---let's not kid ourselves, there are still signifiicant details to work out

he spent 20 minutes talking about his 3 goals

i continue to BELIEVE!

i continue to BE-LIEVE!

that's real nice, mr president, but whatcha gonna DO

spent less than 5 minutes saying how'd he pay for it

we all know his goals, nobody cares about his goals, none of you is interested anymore in goals, all of us at this point want answers

he spent seconds talking about how he'd pay

and he was BEGGING seniors---you gotta BE-LIEVE me, i'm not gonna make cuts

it's gonna be savings

and with those savings we're gonna pay for...

it's increased efficiency, better care for less money

begging

you saw it, folks, no politics, here---he went MINUTES at a time repeatedly in a joint assemblage that was absolutely SILENT

he knew it, no doubt

he knew---damn, i have really lost this room

then---10 minutes at the end about a "death letter" he was sent by saint teddy

oh, brother

all the hi falutin poetry of liberalism, which, y'know, that's fine, good for him

but it's not HELPFUL

and so cheap and tawdry---10 minutes of teddy

he really looks weak and desperate

a super clear statement of liberalism, well articulated, full and long

he's under great pressure from his left

"the appropriate size and role of our govt"

"that's always been the history of our progress"

he got very political, quite often

he's tired of the lies and misrepresentations

by talk show hosts and even some prominent politicians

he's gonna call em out

death panels

he said THIS, get THIS---america has THIRTY MILLION CITIZENS who are not insured

!!!

what happened to the 47 mil

why the insisted use of "citizens"

wow

all those lies and misrepresentations

like illegals, he says

i just don't think you're gonna get a lotta credibility outta this

too many people (in that room) are too smart

30 MILLION CITIZENS---i was stunned, and i don't surprise easy

the first time he said "lies," he paused waiting for BOO's from his side

SILENCE!

i was shocked

he followed up with a follow up and his party got it, rose loud and roaring

for less than 20 seconds

the fewest applause interruptions i've ever seen

the least spirited

1. he had no answers

2. his party barely supports him

3. his poetry is insulting at this point

4. his political attacks are too

5. his begging is unseemly

6. you're going to be hearing on at least a half dozen counts that HE's the one who's misrepresenting (like illegals)

7. he has no explanation how he's gonna pay, none

8. he's still not even leading, he's all over the place

9. he offered tort reform (!!!!!), wow, that was a biggie, and a (mild) surprise---no one believes him, folks, as you know

when it comes to good ol barry obama and tort reform---puhleez

10. he knows himself he's outta moves

that's what the room felt like

republicans just sitting there, shaking their heads

dems desperate for a spark

those are just the biggest points, i have lots more, but enough for now

peace, everyone
 
Anyone else watch the speech on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads?

Yeah, I get CSPAN in HD. :awesome:

Edit: What!?!? You don't have the :awesome: smiley?
 
Anyone else watch the speech on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads?

Yeah, I watched it on CSPAN. I tried ABC, but they just annoyed the hell out of me.
 
I said to my wife (during the speech) that this guy (Obama) is one of the great orators of our time, & I really believe that.
I'm sure reaction to the speech will break down along strict party lines but I'm 62 years old & don't remember a speaker as elequent as Obama....Not even JFK. (my 2 cents)

the effects of the speech no matter how good will only last 3 -4 days tops
 
My view remains as it has been throughout the debate, any viable health care plan should:

1. Materially reduce the incidence of uninsured Americans
2. Should be budget neutral with a mechanism that would provide automatic spending cuts/tax hikes necessary to cover any shortfalls that occur at any time in the future.
3. The plan should materially slow the rate at which national health care expenditures have been growing.

It is the third point--the chronic growth of health expenditures in excess of economic growth--that makes the current system unsustainable in the long-term.

To date, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)'s assessments have not indicated that the three principles are achieved by the various legislative options being considered. In fact, in the out-years (toward year 10), health expenditures are still growing at more than 6% per year. That is far about projected nominal economic growth.

Furthermore, the Peterson Foundation revealed today that although one of the leading plans would be near budget neutral over 10 years, that budget neutrality would disintegrate beyond 10 years.

In sum, although the President's address was strong, in terms of a speech, major issues remain far from resolved.
 
Yeah, I get CSPAN in HD. :awesome:

Edit: What!?!? You don't have the :awesome: smiley?

So how bad does McCain look in HD? I bet he looks 150 years old. Oh crap, Pelosi in HD!!! How could you stand to watch it?
 
the effects of the speech no matter how good will only last 3 -4 days tops

Almost regardless of the quality of the speech, the actual affects are quite limited. What will last much longer, are the President's tone against the GOP, and the distinguished GOP Congressmen who yelled, "you lie!"
 
the effects of the speech no matter how good will only last 3 -4 days tops

I disagree. I think it will firm up public support for his HC bill which will put pressure on the Blue Dogs (& maybe even some moderate repubs) & push Congress to pass something good.
 
So how bad does McCain look in HD? I bet he looks 150 years old. Oh crap, Pelosi in HD!!! How could you stand to watch it?

Funny thing, when Obama mentioned McCain's healthcare from the campaign, McCain turned to the person on his left, and it looked like he said, "he said my name," and smiled. I doubt thats what he said, but it was pretty funny. And then this other GOP guy who was literally texting during the speech.
 
So how bad does McCain look in HD? I bet he looks 150 years old. Oh crap, Pelosi in HD!!! How could you stand to watch it?

Pelosi was standing behind the president. It's unfortunate for him, as it means she is in most every shot of him.
 
I disagree. I think it will firm up public support for his HC bill which will put pressure on the Blue Dogs (& maybe even some moderate repubs) & push Congress to pass something good.

That's being optimistic, at best. Looking back at Clinton's push for health care reform, he gave a great ad libbed speech, and got lots of applause, but his reformations still failed. We can't really say much about how this is going to go down, until we see it play out a tiny bit.
 
Health care is a right .... gop-ers are making a fundamental miscalculation with that point.

very frankly, I do-not-understand this mindset.
 
I do think Obama made the GOP look silly sitting on their hands when popular issues were being loudly applauded byt the Dems....Nice visual.
 
I disagree. I think it will firm up public support for his HC bill which will put pressure on the Blue Dogs (& maybe even some moderate repubs) & push Congress to pass something good.

I don't think this will have a real impact on his poll rating, but might help him with congress.
 
I do think Obama made the GOP look silly sitting on their hands when popular issues were being loudly applauded byt the Dems....Nice visual.

He was quite hard on them, and I think that might backfire when he needs votes.
 
He was quite hard on them, and I think that might backfire when he needs votes.

probably, but at least he isn't a butt-kissing moderate.
 
Anyone else watch the speech on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads?

Nope, I listen to the talking heads in order to understand different viewpoints. This is why CSPAN is boring, because you don't the get polarizations of opinion.

This is also why I watch CNN, because they have no opinion, they just throw these liberal and conservative pundits out there and say "what the hell do you think about that?" Its fun.
 
He was quite hard on them, and I think that might backfire when he needs votes.

GOP votes???....He isn't going to get any anyway!! (maybe Olympia Snowe & that's about it anyway. He had nothing to lose)
 
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