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Presidential Address

apdst said:
Will you please stop suggesting that anyone give a rat's ass that he's black?

Redress is going to get on your ass for playing the race card.
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It pains me to type this, but apdst is right...
 
Scorpion89 said:
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
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Not what he was saying at all.
 
Scorpion89 said:
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
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Talk about a rather crazy interpretation. He said he'll go through with it without the republicans who won't offer another plan or try to kill it. If people misrepresent the plan they'll call them out and explain how they're wrong. This isn't a violation of the 1st amendment. I'd think someone claiming to work for the government would know how it actually works?
 
Scorpion89 said:
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
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No, Scorp, he's saying that if you misrepresent what the legislation is about, you will be called on it. And AMEN to that. There's been enough lies.

But to the dude questioning Scorp's character - he's a stand-up guy, he just has different views from you.

You can be wrong without having a questionable character ;)
 
PogueMoran said:
Strawman? We're talking about your knowledge here. You work for DOD yet don't know who the Director of National Intelligence is and what he does. You don't know the constitution yet accuse someone of high treason. I think this is a question of your character here. Accusing someone of high treason without knowing the constitution. Its ridiculous on its face. Everyone who disagrees with you is left wing now?
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Why would I know the National Intelligence Person I don't work at NSC/CIA/NSA that is where he works I work at the Pentagon and at NAS Pax River so once again Strawman to this discussion
 
Scorpion89 said:
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
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No, he is saying that those who misrepresent the plan will be told they are wrong publicly. In other words, they are going to be more aggressive countering what they see as lies, but not trying to shut people up, just correcting them.
 
Well, I'm impressed. I thought it was a good speech. I didn't think there was anything he could do to make me feel better about his intentions, but he did.

He really smacked down Republicans. In my opinion he made them look very small. I don't think Obama can do half of what he says he wants to do. However, considering I don't think Congress is going to change monetary policy. Considering I don't think Congress is going to change foreign policy or drastically cut spending in all areas. This may be as good as it gets.

These things are most important to me:

It must be law that health care reform be budget neutral. If it ends up not being budget neutral. It must be discontinued or spending cuts make up the difference.
It must be law that any public option or health insurance exchange must be self-sufficient. No taxpayer funds what so ever. If it can't survive on its own. It must die or spending cuts used to make up the difference.
Insurance companies should be required to pay when people get sick. This is just common sense. Why buy insurance if they can just drop you when you actually need it.
Everyone should be required to carry some type of health insurance. As Obama said, this helps insurance companies cope with actually fulfilling their obligations. Everyone should pay something.
I would prefer that government not dictate the type of coverage that insurance companies must provide. Not everyone needs the same amount of coverage. The only thing government should mandate is that all citizens must have health insurance and that insurance companies actually PAY OUT INSURANCE. I know, it is a novel idea.

If Repubs can be assured that by law. This bill is budget neutral and that any government exchange or insurance must be self-sufficient. I don't see why they can't vote for it. If they aren't willing to reform monetary policy or drastically reduce government spending. They really don't have a viable alternative.
 
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Scorpion89 said:
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
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No what he said was that if you go out and fart up a storm and say what the Igloo Girl said that there will be death panels to errase Grandma you will be called out. YES I CALLED HER IGLOO GIRL but yes I have more respect for igloos and girls than for a Palin puke .... who by the way lies
 
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apdst said:
I know that hurts!...:rofl

I feel yer pain, my man.
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It did hurt. I think I need a smoke break now to calm my nerves.
 
Scorpion89 said:
This is from the Speech,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
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Calling someone out is not the same as shutting them up. Its likely that this phrase from the ideas that the old west, when duelers would "call each other outside" for a fight.

Obama is basically saying that if someone misrepresents the plan through lies, he will call them to debate and fight them, not shut them up.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Why would I know the National Intelligence Person I don't work at NSC/CIA/NSA that is where he works I work at the Pentagon and at NAS Pax River so once again Strawman to this discussion
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Its not just the DNI its the other people you tried to claim as Czars who have cabinet level positions. You work for the government yet don't understand how it works. Again you stated that confirmations are done in the house. So lets see who would start the impeachment proceedings no help from others here
 
Redress said:
No, he is saying that those who misrepresent the plan will be told they are wrong publicly. In other words, they are going to be more aggressive countering what they see as lies, but not trying to shut people up, just correcting them.
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Really hmm not by what he said in this one line

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it,

That is a direct attack towards any American who speaks out against his plan and is a clear violation of the 1st. Adm and he needs to be arrested for it.
 
Devil505 said:
I think you'll see a definite rise in Obama's approval rating over the next few weeks due to this speech.
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I think you're dreaming!...:rofl
 
Scorpion89 said:
Really hmm not by what he said in this one line

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it,

That is a direct attack towards any American who speaks out against his plan and is a clear violation of the 1st. Adm and he needs to be arrested for it.
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The President has the clear right to ignore crazy people.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Really hmm not by what he said in this one line

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it,

That is a direct attack towards any American who speaks out against his plan and is a clear violation of the 1st. Adm and he needs to be arrested for it.
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How is this a violation of the 1st amendment? Ignoring people is not a violation of freedom of speech. That's what he basically said. Its not chinese he's talking here.
 
AndrewC said:
Well, I'm impressed. I thought it was a good speech. I didn't think there was anything he could do to make me feel better about his intentions, but he did.

He really smacked down Republicans. In my opinion he made them look very small. I don't think Obama can do half of what he says he wants to do. However, considering I don't think Congress is going to change monetary policy. Considering I don't think Congress is going to change foreign policy or drastically cut spending in all areas. This may be as good as it gets.

These things are most important to me:

It must be law that health care reform be budget neutral. If it ends up not being budget neutral. It must be discontinued or spending cuts make up the difference.
It must be law that any public option or health insurance exchange must be self-sufficient. No taxpayer funds what so ever. If it can't survive on its own. It must die or spending cuts used to make up the difference.
Insurance companies should be required to pay when people get sick. This is just common sense. Why buy insurance if they can just drop you when you actually need it.
Everyone should be required to carry some type of health insurance. As Obama said, this helps insurance companies cope with actually fulfilling their obligations. Everyone should pay something.
I would prefer that government not dictate the type of coverage that insurance companies must provide. Not everyone needs the same amount of coverage. The only thing government should mandate is that all citizens must have health insurance and that insurance companies actually PAY OUT INSURANCE. I know, it is a novel idea.

If Repubs can be assured that by law. This bill is budget neutral and that any government exchange or insurance must be self-sufficient. I don't see why they can't vote for it. If they aren't willing to reform monetary policy or drastically reduce government spending. They really don't have a viable alternative.
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Thanks for an honest reply.
 
Cilogy said:
Calling someone out is not the same as shutting them up. Its likely that this phrase from the ideas that the old west, when duelers would "call each other outside" for a fight.

Obama is basically saying that if someone misrepresents the plan through lies, he will call them to debate and fight them, not shut them up.
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Sorry if you speak out against it you will be hunted down that is what Mr. Obama is saying. He has declared war on the Middle Class big mistake the last time a Dem tried this She got smack around for it.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Sorry if you speak out against it you will be hunted down that is what Mr. Obama is saying. He has declared war on the Middle Class big mistake the last time a Dem tried this She got smack around for it.
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Oh man!!!:2razz::2razz::2razz:
 
ScottD said:
The President has the clear right to ignore crazy people.
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Oh so your saying that all the folks who have been showing up at Town Hall meeting voicing their opposition to Health Bill are Crazy :shock:
 
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