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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Strawman? We're talking about your knowledge here. You work for DOD yet don't know who the Director of National Intelligence is and what he does. You don't know the constitution yet accuse someone of high treason. I think this is a question of your character here. Accusing someone of high treason without knowing the constitution. Its ridiculous on its face. Everyone who disagrees with you is left wing now?
    Why would I know the National Intelligence Person I don't work at NSC/CIA/NSA that is where he works I work at the Pentagon and at NAS Pax River so once again Strawman to this discussion

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It pains me to type this, but apdst is right...
    I know that hurts!...

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    This is from the Speech,

    "I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

    Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
    No, he is saying that those who misrepresent the plan will be told they are wrong publicly. In other words, they are going to be more aggressive countering what they see as lies, but not trying to shut people up, just correcting them.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Well, I'm impressed. I thought it was a good speech. I didn't think there was anything he could do to make me feel better about his intentions, but he did.

    He really smacked down Republicans. In my opinion he made them look very small. I don't think Obama can do half of what he says he wants to do. However, considering I don't think Congress is going to change monetary policy. Considering I don't think Congress is going to change foreign policy or drastically cut spending in all areas. This may be as good as it gets.

    These things are most important to me:

    It must be law that health care reform be budget neutral. If it ends up not being budget neutral. It must be discontinued or spending cuts make up the difference.
    It must be law that any public option or health insurance exchange must be self-sufficient. No taxpayer funds what so ever. If it can't survive on its own. It must die or spending cuts used to make up the difference.
    Insurance companies should be required to pay when people get sick. This is just common sense. Why buy insurance if they can just drop you when you actually need it.
    Everyone should be required to carry some type of health insurance. As Obama said, this helps insurance companies cope with actually fulfilling their obligations. Everyone should pay something.
    I would prefer that government not dictate the type of coverage that insurance companies must provide. Not everyone needs the same amount of coverage. The only thing government should mandate is that all citizens must have health insurance and that insurance companies actually PAY OUT INSURANCE. I know, it is a novel idea.

    If Repubs can be assured that by law. This bill is budget neutral and that any government exchange or insurance must be self-sufficient. I don't see why they can't vote for it. If they aren't willing to reform monetary policy or drastically reduce government spending. They really don't have a viable alternative.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It pains me to type this, but apdst is right...
    *lol .... *

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    This is from the Speech,

    "I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

    Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
    No what he said was that if you go out and fart up a storm and say what the Igloo Girl said that there will be death panels to errase Grandma you will be called out. YES I CALLED HER IGLOO GIRL but yes I have more respect for igloos and girls than for a Palin puke .... who by the way lies
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I know that hurts!...

    I feel yer pain, my man.
    It did hurt. I think I need a smoke break now to calm my nerves.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It did hurt. I think I need a smoke break now to calm my nerves.
    Have a few shots of Cabo Wabo, trust me, it'll help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    This is from the Speech,

    "I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

    Mr. Obama basically is saying if you speak out agianst this we will shut you up, which is a Violation of the 1st Adm and act of High Treason end of discussion he needs to go.
    Calling someone out is not the same as shutting them up. Its likely that this phrase from the ideas that the old west, when duelers would "call each other outside" for a fight.

    Obama is basically saying that if someone misrepresents the plan through lies, he will call them to debate and fight them, not shut them up.


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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Why would I know the National Intelligence Person I don't work at NSC/CIA/NSA that is where he works I work at the Pentagon and at NAS Pax River so once again Strawman to this discussion
    Its not just the DNI its the other people you tried to claim as Czars who have cabinet level positions. You work for the government yet don't understand how it works. Again you stated that confirmations are done in the house. So lets see who would start the impeachment proceedings no help from others here

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