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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Tell you what........If you did both those things...it would not affect illegal border crossings 1%. (& I think you know I'm right)
    No, you are not correct. Our border patrols do make some impact. The issue is that no one has the stomach to implement major deterrents such as heavy penalties and/or jail time for business owners who hire illegals here, jail time and immediate deportation for repeat offending border hoppers, and possible labor camps along the border doing something productive with them like building immigrations stations along with a wall.

    I mean, if they're coming here to work...put them to work.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, you are not correct. Our border patrols do make some impact. The issue is that no one has the stomach to implement major deterrents such as heavy penalties and/or jail time for business owners who hire illegals here, jail time and immediate deportation for repeat offending border hoppers, and possible labor camps along the border doing something productive with them like building immigrations stations along with a wall.

    I mean, if they're coming here to work...put them to work.


    Reprint from above that I guess you chose to ignore. It's a bit tongue in cheek but......Mainly true!



    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Say...what a good idea!

    If we send them to prison for a long time we U.S. taxpayers get to pay for:

    1. Their housing
    2. Their Food (3 meal a day)
    3. Their clothing
    4. Their dental needs
    5. Their physical fitness equipment
    6. Their total HEALTH CARE


    &....They are living..tax free....IN the United States.......... amongst all their relatives!

    Hey wait a minute!!!!

    (wouldn't it be cheaper to just let them continue to mow Mitt Romney's lawn????)

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Reprint from above that I guess you chose to ignore. It's a bit tongue in cheek but......Mainly true!
    I read it. I just didn't think it was all that insightful or worthy of attention because it states the obvious without bothering to go into any meaningful analysis.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I read it. I just didn't think it was all that insightful or worthy of attention because it states the obvious without bothering to go into any meaningful analysis.
    I guess you're right......My points are pretty obvious.

    If we send them to prison for a long time we U.S. taxpayers get to pay for:

    1. Their housing
    2. Their Food (3 meal a day)
    3. Their clothing
    4. Their dental needs
    5. Their physical fitness equipment
    6. Their total HEALTH CARE


    &....They are living..tax free....IN the United States.......... amongst all their relatives!

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I guess you're right......My points are pretty obvious.
    Yes, they are obviously lacking in any form of insight.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, they are obviously lacking in any form of insight.
    OK...So you agree that my above points are obvious. Explain then how the tremendous additional cost of paying for this incarceration is beneficial to us taxpayers &...I thought the main argument here was in trying to AVOID paying the HC costs of illegal aliens. Your plan ENSURES we pay it all & prevents them for earning anything to help defray their burden on our economy.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-15-09 at 01:34 PM.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK...So you agree that my above points are obvious. Explain then how the tremendous additional cost of paying for this incarceration is beneficial to us taxpayers.
    I already did this. But you chose to mindlessly drone on and on about illegals in jail getting to live with their families. Which is a blatant falsehood but whatever.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I already did this. But you chose to mindlessly drone on and on about illegals in jail getting to live with their families. Which is a blatant falsehood but whatever.
    OK...Let's take illegal aliens HC costs in particular:

    The reality is that we already pay for illegal aliens HC costs through our additional HC insurance premiums, which I have seen figures at about an additional $1,000.00 for every taxpayer in this nation.
    If your prison plan was really implimented, we would still have the above insurance burden PLUS the additional tax burden of fully paying for thousands more illegal aliens that we would be required to feed, house & PAY FOR THEIR HC while they are in U.S. prisons, ....Right??!

    As long as the standard of living in Mexico is lousy (in other words forever) & Mexicans can better their lives by easily getting jobs here, human nature tells us that they will continue to take the chance of coming here illegally. The OBVIOUS answer is not more imprisoning but preventing them (illegals) from getting the jobs that attract them here. (I realize that this concept is to deep for a short, catchy "Drill Baby Drill" Fox News/GOP soundbites....but reality is complicated, only ignorance is simple.
    (that last sentence is aimed at Fox News & the GOP...Not at any forum members here)
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-15-09 at 01:59 PM.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK...Let's take illegal aliens HC costs in particular:

    The reality is that we already pay for illegal aliens HC costs through our additional HC insurance premiums, which I have seen figures at about an additional $1,000.00 for every taxpayer in this nation.
    Link? Or these figures don't exist.

    If your prison plan was really implimented, we would still have the above insurance burden PLUS the additional tax burden of fully paying for thousands more illegal aliens that we would be required to feed, house & PAY FOR THEIR HC while they are in U.S. prisons, ....Right??!
    Which could easily be offset by putting them to work on public works projects and the future deterrence of other illegals coming here due to the risk of winding up in one of our work prisons.

    As long as the standard of living in Mexico is lousy & Mexicans can better their lives by easily getting jobs here, human nature tells us that they will continue to take the chance of coming here illegally.
    Which is why I stated that there should be plans implemented to remove the lure by laying harsh penalties on those who hire illegals as well.

    The OBVIOUS answer is not more imprisoning but preventing them (illegals) from getting the jobs that attract them here. (I realize that this concept is to deep for a short, catchy "Drill Baby Drill" Fox News/GOP soundbites....but reality is complicated, only ignorance is simple.
    You know what? **** this conversation because despite your attempt to deflect from the insults you fling, you still fling them. And that's in addition to completely ignoring what has been stated so that you can feel justified in flinging your little insults.

    This conversation, as well as any future conversation with you, is done. I have no intention of being mindlessly insulted by someone too daft to even read and comprehend or acknowledge that I stated the exact same thing not even three posts ago.

    Good day.

    (that last sentence is aimed at Fox News & the GOP...Not at any forum members here)
    Yeah, right.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post

    You know what? **** this conversation because despite your attempt to deflect from the insults you fling, you still fling them. And that's in addition to completely ignoring what has been stated so that you can feel justified in flinging your little insults.

    This conversation, as well as any future conversation with you, is done. I have no intention of being mindlessly insulted by someone too daft to even read and comprehend or acknowledge that I stated the exact same thing not even three posts ago.

    Good day.



    Yeah, right.

    If anyone is throwing insults it is you & if anyone should be upset about them it is me.


    Here are just a few of your insults from just the last few pages of THIS thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I. But you chose to mindlessly drone on and on
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well how about before we start indulging your Godwin's slope fantasy,
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    and show us just how low you can really sink?
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post

    Hyperbole. You're doing it right!
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Godwin's Law. You're doing it right!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I have no intention of being mindlessly insulted by someone too daft to even read and comprehend






    Just a friendly suggestion:
    If one is prone to throwing insults & "digs" at others, it is poor form to then cry about having the favor returned.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-15-09 at 02:36 PM.

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