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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What about any of that bypasses the fact that we have laws in place for legal entrance and exit from our country?

    Would you even dream of trying to enter Great Britain without legal documentation? Just answer me this: if you tried to enter any other country without documentation, what do you think the response would and should be?
    I think if we made it incredibly easy to migrate here we would have such an influx that it would be like an invasion. By making it illegal but not enforcing it to any great degree we get lots of determined ambitious folks willing to risk it for a better life. Obviously we're ill prepared to handle a complete open door policy but equally obvious is that we're not willing to hunt down those who have crept in and send them packing.

    As to your question if I lived in Tijuana, had no money, and mouths to feed I'd definitely risk it and attempt to come here. There are two types of desperate peoples - those that just accept their lot in life with no imagination or drive to change it and those who claw their way out of squalor to better their situation.

    The fact of the matter is that your average poor uneducated Mexican who aims to just do manual labor here has little to no chance of ever getting their application through to come here legally. That's part of the problem. Hell my sister in law is having issues with her application process and she's married to a man who has testified that he will financially support her and has the means to do so.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    I'll reprint this link from an earlier post: [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act]Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    The FACT is that since June 18th 1878 ..
    .The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.


    This is LAW & not debatable
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am all in favor of legal immigration. But if you are not a native, and cannot and do not respect our laws, you do not belong here.
    Right I get that. But at the same time there's a difference between a drug addict stealing your car stereo and a mother stealing a pie from your window sill to feed her hungry kids.

    If you cannot financially support yourself where you are only the unimaginative, ignorant, foolish, unambitious dolts would stay there. Respecting our laws would leave many living in a dead end world. It's not surprising that they risk breaking immigration laws.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think if we made it incredibly easy to migrate here we would have such an influx that it would be like an invasion. By making it illegal but not enforcing it to any great degree we get lots of determined ambitious folks willing to risk it for a better life. Obviously we're ill prepared to handle a complete open door policy but equally obvious is that we're not willing to hunt down those who have crept in and send them packing.

    As to your question if I lived in Tijuana, had no money, and mouths to feed I'd definitely risk it and attempt to come here. There are two types of desperate peoples - those that just accept their lot in life with no imagination or drive to change it and those who claw their way out of squalor to better their situation.

    The fact of the matter is that your average poor uneducated Mexican who aims to just do manual labor here has little to no chance of ever getting their application through to come here legally. That's part of the problem. Hell my sister in law is having issues with her application process and she's married to a man who has testified that he will financially support her and has the means to do so.
    OK, so answer my question now: What do you think the appropriate response to an illegal entry would be in any other country? Let's just narrow it down and say...Germany, for instance.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    OK, so answer my question now: What do you think the appropriate response to an illegal entry would be in any other country? Let's just narrow it down and say...Germany, for instance.
    Germany has illegal immigrants right now. They, like most of Europe, are grappling with their own issues and how to deal with illegals from Africa. They, like us, seem torn between discussions on amnesty vs. cracking down.

    Illegal Immigrants in Berlin, Germany may receive Health Care with Anonymous Insurance Card | erblawg

    It's hardly a uniquely American problem. Ambitious folks simply won't remain in down trodden countries that offer zero opportunities. They will leave. It's human nature. Borders are lines drawn on a map.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Germany has illegal immigrants right now. They, like most of Europe, are grappling with their own issues and how to deal with illegals from Africa. They, like us, seem torn between discussions on amnesty vs. cracking down.

    Illegal Immigrants in Berlin, Germany may receive Health Care with Anonymous Insurance Card | erblawg

    It's hardly a uniquely American problem. Ambitious folks simply won't remain in down trodden countries that offer zero opportunities. They will leave. It's human nature. Borders are lines drawn on a map.
    You are correct. They have their own issues.

    They, too, are being much weaker in handling the problem than they should be. It seems I was correct: no one has the stomach for efficiency these days. It's a sad day when Germany can't even handle an infestation problem without going soft about it.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    meh, we're marching towards a global world with a global governing body anyway at which point it'll become a moot issue.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    meh, we're marching towards a global world with a global governing body anyway at which point it'll become a moot issue.
    The day the capital of the world moves to New Babylon and Barrack Obama rides a pig into the rebuilt Temple of Jerusalem, I am going to just take my vows as a monk and hope for the best.


    (only apocalypse fiction nerds will even begin to comprehend that)

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Thems france's words, not ours, it reflected our past and how we came to be, it was not a declarative US legacy policy.

    No they aren't. They are an American poet's words, and they were added as part of an effort to raise money for the pedestal of the Statue.

    Statue of Liberty Poem

    Statue of Liberty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    No they aren't. They are an American poet's words, and they were added as part of an effort to raise money for the pedestal of the Statue.

    Statue of Liberty Poem

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