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    Re: Presidential Address

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    You should try it sometime.... beats rose colored glasses.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    When was the last time we sent the Marine Corps into L.A. to round up illegals?
    (been at least a few months....if memory serves)



    non response to my question.



    We use national guard on the border now, and the federal border patrol, it is not a local domestic LEO issue.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not demonizing anyone. And I'm also not speaking about Mexican illegals exclusively.

    But the fact is, unlawful entry into this country is invasion of our soil and an offense to the sovereignty of our great nation. If we allow individual invaders to run roughshod over our laws, how do we expect to present ourselves as powerful enough to stop large invading forces should we need to do so?

    And you are correct about one aspect: those who aid the invasion of our country by giving employment and comfort to the invaders are a serious issue. For their role, they should be subject to the same military tribunals as the invaders themselves.
    Our Statue of liberty has a plaque reading

    Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


    I just can't see them as invaders. Clearly my brother marrying a very cute one has biased me. But still, perhaps we should make it easier and possible for those down south to immigrate legally.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    As far as illegals go it's an employer related issue. If you have zero opportunity in your home country then it makes absolute sense to go where you do have opportunity. I don't blame them for coming here. The issue will only ever be resolved by either taking away the opportunity here or creating more opportunity south of the border. Hating on them is rather pointless. Tracking them down would be futile. You have to hit the source of the problem and the source of the problem is that folks who can't make money south of the border can and easily do make money here. Cracking down on employers would seem the most feasible rational thing to do. Demonizing illegals is like demonizing a starving person who steals bread. I just don't have the heart for it.
    I am not sure how anyone can claim that wanting to enforce our border and remove illegal aliens from our country is based on "hatred."

    The REAL problem we have in America is that so many of our elected officials willfully ignore illegal aliens when they come into the country. When your own government ignores it's own laws, it does indeed become a futile effort to eradicate the problem.

    The nation, and particularly the State of California, relies on immigrant labor. This is particularly true with the agriculture states. What we need is reform that permits our border agents to process legal immigrants and temporary workers and places these people in a database so that potential employers can quickly look up their information to verify they are here legally.

    Employers cannot be forced to be the enforcers when it is so easy to obtain a State drivers license and false SS number.

    Point in case; I know of an illegal immigrant who came into this country on a legal visa. When it came time to renew/expire, he did not go back because he was afraid they would not renew his visa and he would be sent back to his native country.

    For a decade now he has used the same SS number, paid taxes and worked for.....STATE Government. How hard would it have been to track this man down and expel him? But our government CHOSE to collect their taxes and ignore his legal status.

    For my two cents, this man is a far better citizen than many who are rightfully born here. He should be allowed to immigrate. But how fair would it be to now suddenly decide to enforce laws that were willfully ignored by our Government for over a decade?

    This is the REAL issue with immigration reform; Governments who willfully ignore our laws because they are politically afraid to enforce them and some cities, like San Fran, who openly declare themselves a "sanctuary" city?

    So before we go expelling illegal immigrants, let's also properly determine how they got here, how they have been operating quasi legally, develop USEFUL (SS numbers with photo connected perhaps) internet based information systems that permit employers to quickly and easily verify legal status prior to hiring and actually start enforcing our immigration laws and sanction those cities and States that willfully choose to ignore our laws.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Our Statue of liberty has a plaque reading

    Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


    I just can't see them as invaders. Clearly my brother marrying a very cute one has biased me. But still, perhaps we should make it easier and possible for those down south to immigrate legally.
    Now it reads:

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Once they get in our country they are just criminals requiring law enforcement.
    The main issue I have with this is that many within our own Government CHOOSE not to enforce our laws.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Our Statue of liberty has a plaque reading

    Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


    I just can't see them as invaders. Clearly my brother marrying a very cute one has biased me. But still, perhaps we should make it easier and possible for those down south to immigrate legally.




    Thems france's words, not ours, it reflected our past and how we came to be, it was not a declarative US legacy policy.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Our Statue of liberty has a plaque reading

    Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


    I just can't see them as invaders. Clearly my brother marrying a very cute one has biased me. But still, perhaps we should make it easier and possible for those down south to immigrate legally.
    What about any of that bypasses the fact that we have laws in place for legal entrance and exit from our country?

    Would you even dream of trying to enter Great Britain without legal documentation? Just answer me this: if you tried to enter any other country without documentation, what do you think the response would and should be?

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Our Statue of liberty has a plaque reading

    Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


    I just can't see them as invaders. Clearly my brother marrying a very cute one has biased me. But still, perhaps we should make it easier and possible for those down south to immigrate legally.
    I am all in favor of legal immigration. But if you are not a native, and cannot and do not respect our laws, you do not belong here.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What about any of that bypasses the fact that we have laws in place for legal entrance and exit from our country?

    Would you even dream of trying to enter Great Britain without legal documentation? Just answer me this: if you tried to enter any other country without documentation, what do you think the response would and should be?


    Hell try entering Canada....
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