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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    That may be, but I still don't think it will be that significant. Again, this is just my opinion. I'm sure if it becomes too much of a problem they will put in a filter. Granted, like many on the right here I think it should have been in there in the first place. However, I really don't think it needs to be. I could very well be wrong.
    I dunno man...I am not entering this as "evidence" for the purposes of this discussion, but I have two friends that work in the billing department of Harbor UCLA and they both talk all the time about how much illegals cost the hospital. I think there needs to be a definite requirement of your social security car + picture ID in order to gain access to any public health services.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Nor is there now. So what is the big deal?
    So, that makes it ok that this bill won't prevent it?

    Aren't the people who aren't paying for health care the whole argument for passing this bill?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I dunno man...I am not entering this as "evidence" for the purposes of this discussion, but I have two friends that work in the billing department of Harbor UCLA and they both talk all the time about how much illegals cost the hospital. I think there needs to be a definite requirement of your social security car + picture ID in order to gain access to any public health services.
    It may not be spelled out in the bill because they want to leave it up to the hospitals to outline these policies and procedures. Hopefully they will do so.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It may not be spelled out in the bill because they want to leave it up to the hospitals to outline these policies and procedures. Hopefully they will do so.
    You're losing ground, fast.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, that makes it ok that this bill won't prevent it?

    Aren't the people who aren't paying for health care the whole argument for passing this bill?
    I'm not saying it makes it okay, but I honestly don't think its that big of a deal. Plus, I fail to see why people on the right are getting uppity about it when the current system has the same flaw.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're losing ground, fast.
    Perhaps you should try addressing my points rather than making little off topic jabs.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said that the bill said anything about death panels. I did, however, ask numerous times what was meant by the language of the bill sayin that, "the scretary would give an order for the sustainment of life", and never got an answer.
    No such phrase in HR3200, nor one on any similar wording. Now I do remember you blowing a gasket about a secretary reference, but it was over something silly. Please feel free to find the reference you are referring to in the bill and we can hold your hand and explain it to you. Make sure you include where in the bill it is.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Perhaps you should try addressing my points rather than making little off topic jabs.
    I've addressed every comment you've made. You're unable to support any of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Let me get this straight here.. and I am not an expert in this field, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    In order to get government monies to offset the cost of health insurance, you need to establish that you are financially unable to pay for it.

    The method that will undoubtedly be used is information from your tax return.

    Illegal aliens are able, and in fact required to pay taxes, and do file; however they must use a ITIN in lieu of a SS#.

    Permanent residents (green card holders) are assigned a social security #

    the information from your tax return used to determine eligibility will likely contain your social, or ITIN for verification purposes.

    If there is an ITIN used, then that would immediately flag someone as being ineligible.

    Seems not a difficult thing to enforce here, and naturally there will be a few that may slip through the cracks, but this will not be done legally, and the fact remains that the proposed bills do not extend coverage to illegal aliens.

    If the issue is enforcement of illegal immigrant laws, then that very well should be addressed -on its own, not as part of a health care bill.
    Last edited by marduc; 09-10-09 at 04:59 PM.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, that makes it ok that this bill won't prevent it?

    Aren't the people who aren't paying for health care the whole argument for passing this bill?
    Illegal aliens are a law enforcement issue, not a health care issue. The bill does not cover illegal aliens, and any found will be subject to the appropriate penalties.

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