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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I'm not suggesting we wait until the bill is passed, I'm suggesting you stop jumping to conclusions.
    Jumping to conclusions?????

    Are you really serious??

    Have we been discussing HR3200 or some fantasy health plan that no one has submittted????

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If illegals get health coverage, then it doesn't matter if the bill says it outright or allows them to come in the back door.

    Republicans have tried to put requirements for proof of citizenship in the bill many times and were shot down by the dems each time.
    I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?

    Illegal immigrants will get free health insurance.
    The House bill doesn't give anyone free health care (though under a 1986 law illegals who can't pay do get free emergency care now, courtesy of all us premium paying customers or of hospitals that have to eat the cost). Will they be eligible for subsidies to buy health insurance? The House bill says that "individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States" will not be allowed to receive subsidies.

    The claim that taxpayers will wind up subsidizing health insurance for illegal immigrants has its origins in the defeat of an amendment, offered in July by Republican Rep. Dean Heller of Nevada, to require those enrolling in a public plan or seeking subsidies to purchase private insurance to have their citizenship verified. Flecksoflife.com claimed on July 19 that "HC [health care] will be provided 2 all non US citizens, illegal or otherwise." Rep. Steve King of Iowa spread the claim in a USA Today op-ed on Aug. 20, calling the explicit prohibition on such coverage "functionally meaningless" absent mandatory citizenship checks, and it's now gone viral. Can we say that none of the estimated 11.9 million illegal immigrants will ever wangle insurance subsidies through identity fraud, pretending to be a citizen? You can't prove a negative, but experts say that Medicare—the closest thing to the proposals in the House bill—has no such problem.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If illegals get health coverage, then it doesn't matter if the bill says it outright or allows them to come in the back door.

    Republicans have tried to put requirements for proof of citizenship in the bill many times and were shot down by the dems each time.
    So are you saying that the bill only says that citizens will get health care because they are trying to make it appear like they care about that issue without actually doing anything about it? If so, that may be, but you don't have any proof of this. Plus, we don't know what will happen on down the line. Like I said, I honestly don't care that much if a few slip in which will probably be all that it will amount to.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?
    Try reading some of the posts in this thread before jumping in at the end.

    The method that illegals can get free health care has already been shown many times in this thread.


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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Jumping to conclusions?????

    Are you really serious??

    Have we been discussing HR3200 or some fantasy health plan that no one has submittted????
    What are you having a hard time grasping? Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions before we even have the final bill is asinine.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    No the bill doesn't specifically say that, but it also isn't something that one should assume will happen.
    It's happening now. What mechanics of this bill is going to stop that?



    We don't know what the process will be when all is said and done.
    Don't you think it would be a good idea to figure all that out, then pass it? Call me crazy, but I think we should.

    It would be in their best interest implement some kind of a filter to make sure that it doesn't happen, and they may do that.
    But, the fact is, they haven't put controls in place to keep illegals from receiving health care under this bill, probably at the tax payers's expense.

    If not, then frankly I don't care because I'm willing to bet the numbers will be insignificant and small.

    There are 20 million illegals in this country. How can the numbers be insignificant and small?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?
    Yes, but it doesn't spell it out enough to the liking of some, so they are jumping to conclusions about it.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    So are you saying that the bill only says that citizens will get health care because they are trying to make it appear like they care about that issue without actually doing anything about it? If so, that may be, but you don't have any proof of this. Plus, we don't know what will happen on down the line. Like I said, I honestly don't care that much if a few slip in which will probably be all that it will amount to.
    If you consider 10 million illegals "a few", then we don't have much more to discuss.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    What are you having a hard time grasping? Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions before we even have the final bill is asinine.
    You're assuming that the bill will prevent illegal aliens from getting free health care under Obamacare.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    I hate to burst your bubble, but HR 3200 strictly forbids this. Does it not?

    It does say that, but there's nothing in the bill requiring proof of citizenship.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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