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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, explain to us how illegals are going to be filtered out of the process, if you think I'm wrong.
    Just because it doesn't spell it out how you'd like doesn't mean that it's a legitimate or reasonable conclusion to reach.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Just because it doesn't spell it out how you'd like doesn't mean that it's a legitimate or reasonable conclusion to reach.
    If the bill doesn't say it, then it doesn't exist. If there's no way to insure that illegal aliens aren't going to be soaking up medical treatment under this bill, then the only other thing that can possibly happen, is that illegals will be treated, possibly without paying for that treatment. Can you quote the part of the bill that will filter the illegals out of the process?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Are you serious????

    If it does NOT SPECIFICALLY say that proof must be given, do you think illegals are going to admit that they are in the country illegally or are they going to lie so that they get free health care at our expense????

    I really can't believe you said that.
    I'm not saying that some won't slip in and I agree that better attention should be given to that so that it doesn't happen. However, many of the assertions I've heard from people on the right are that illegals will get health care like the bill somehow says that, which it doesn't. It's disingenuous at best.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    We don't have the final bill. We do not know whether or not proof of citizenship will be required. So, at the end of the day, you two are making assumptions.
    HR 3200 is the bill we are talking about. And we do know what it says.

    Personally, I prefer not to wait until the bill is passed to discuss its pros and cons.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Just because it doesn't spell it out how you'd like doesn't mean that it's a legitimate or reasonable conclusion to reach.
    Whoa Deja Vu didn't we go through this with Apbst on the Death Panels claim? Even though its not in the bill somehow it must be in the bill. Breast implants for any girl below a C. Hell its not in the bill but somehow thats what it means.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm not saying that some won't slip in and I agree that better attention should be given to that so that it doesn't happen. However, many of the assertions I've heard from people on the right are that illegals will get health care like the bill somehow says that, which it doesn't. It's disingenuous at best.
    If illegals get health coverage, then it doesn't matter if the bill says it outright or allows them to come in the back door.

    Republicans have tried to put requirements for proof of citizenship in the bill many times and were shot down by the dems each time.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    HR 3200 is the bill we are talking about. And we do know what it says.

    Personally, I prefer not to wait until the bill is passed to discuss its pros and cons.
    I'm not suggesting we wait until the bill is passed, I'm suggesting you stop jumping to conclusions.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the bill doesn't say it, then it doesn't exist. If there's no way to insure that illegal aliens aren't going to be soaking up medical treatment under this bill, then the only other thing that can possibly happen, is that illegals will be treated, possibly without paying for that treatment. Can you quote the part of the bill that will filter the illegals out of the process?
    No the bill doesn't specifically say that, but it also isn't something that one should assume will happen. We don't know what the process will be when all is said and done. It would be in their best interest implement some kind of a filter to make sure that it doesn't happen, and they may do that. If not, then frankly I don't care because I'm willing to bet the numbers will be insignificant and small. Though, it is worthy of criticism. Perhaps we should wait and see what will happen before making assumptions.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Whoa Deja Vu didn't we go through this with Apbst on the Death Panels claim? Even though its not in the bill somehow it must be in the bill. Breast implants for any girl below a C. Hell its not in the bill but somehow thats what it means.
    I never said that the bill said anything about death panels. I did, however, ask numerous times what was meant by the language of the bill sayin that, "the scretary would give an order for the sustainment of life", and never got an answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I'm not suggesting we wait until the bill is passed, I'm suggesting you stop jumping to conclusions.

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