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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    really like to hear from any Repubs who can be honest & as non-partisan as they can be. The mechanics of the speech.....Was it delivered well?
    On the whole, yes it was a very well delivered speech. He is articulate and commanding with the language he uses though he does come off very smug and arrogant at many points in his speech...especially the opening. It also smacks of a weakness of character being covered by a facade of confidence...that if he projects that he will make this happen, it will happen. I just don't buy into it...he didn't sell it to me at all. But, in truth, he had a snowball's chance in hell of selling it to me to start with so I confess my bias in that regard.

    I don't want any part of nationalized health care, some "public option"...nothing. I have worked to secure my health care for myself and my partner and I don't want any part of having to pay for those who haven't made efforts to do the same. The only exception is that I believe we could expand health care for disadvantaged children but beyond that....no, it is a personal responsibility issue.

    Basically, this speech was just a continuation of the same complaint I have had all along with BHO: he speaks well but his lack of experience and ability are still glaring when the pretty speech is over. And the emerging complaint since he has been in office is that his priorities are skewed.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    That was your original response? Really?

    It sounded pretty new and pretty clear. He took it back. It was garbage at 8est and by 9est it he cleaned it up.

    If you don't agree with the points he outlined then I cannot see how else we can efficiently reform health care: Reform of outlandish and "grossly profitable at the expense of the sick" kinds of insurance policies, medical malpractice reform, McCain's ideas, demonstration projects (to test results), and yes, a public option for use by those who have NO option.

    Please tell us your suggestions...
    My suggestion? I say we deregulate the insurance industry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    So you are claiming that there are many more than 30 million that don't have insurance???

    No, you are very wrong.



    Wrong again. There is NO requirement that citizenship be proven. You haven't been keeping up with this bill have you?

    If you still think I'm wrong, I'll be waiting patiently for any proof that you can dredge up.

    But I won't be holding my breath.

    Sorry, Gill, you are wrong. There are many millions more that don't have insurance. You can see the Kaiser Commission report (link posted earlier in the thread), or a brand new Census report, out just this am. Here is a TP post on the report, follow many intra-article links to source data:


    Census report: Number of uninsured Americans grows to 46.3 million.

    A new Census report finds that, in 2008, the number of people without health insurance increased from from 45.7 million to 46.3 million (the number of uninsured has increased by 7.3 million since 2000). The report suggests that a weakened economy and rising health care costs are pushing more Americans towards so-called safety-net coverage. According to the data, “the percentage of people covered by government health insurance programs increased to 29.0 percent in 2008,” up from from 27.8 percent in 2007. The uninsured rate declined significantly for Americans under 18 and over 65 — the two groups who are eligible for government-sponsored coverage. The Wonk Room has more on the importance of public programs.

    Update Pat Garofalo highlights the new poverty data: The poverty rate has risen to an eleven-year high of 13.2 percent, with 39.8 million people in poverty (an additional 8.3 million people fall below the poverty line under Bush).
    Think Progress Census report: Number of uninsured Americans grows to 46.3 million.


    Further, re: citizenship -- please scroll back thru thread. Multiple links and posts have been submitted.

    You *cannot* be an illegal alien and qualify for federal money under HR3200, or any of the bills in Congress.
    There is no citizenship requirement for *purchasing* insurance in the proposed insurance market, the Exchange, but there is no citizenship requirement for purchasing insurance or health care now. If an illegal alien DID purchase insurance in the Exchange, they would pay full freight, b/c they would not be eligible for any federal subsidies at all.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    If the speech was "delivered well," what would that mean?
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Why is that?
    Because that is one of the most important problems we have in our Health Care system. We should limit the damages awarded, and lower the premiums payed by doctors and Hospitals. I also was upset that they arent discussing ways to increase number of doctors and nurses.


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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If the speech was "delivered well," what would that mean?
    Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)
    We are always honest about what PBO does.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Just seeing if any anti-Obama types could be honest about ANYTHING Obama does. (thought it was pretty obvious to most here)
    It sounds more like, to me, that you were extorting the "anti-Obama types" into agreeing that Obama is "cool" with the threat that if they don't agree with you on this, then they are just irrational. It just seems like you are trying to extort a congruency of opinion that just isn't there.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Charles Manson was a great orator, too.
    Point taken, but in re Manson
    I take it you have never listened to the freak. He's more of a rambler. If you're all hopped on hallucinogens he'd prob'ly hit some resonant chords that you could fill in with your own assumptions and think he was profound--kind of like astrologists and cold readers--but over all he's mostly incoherent.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Mr. Obama is Traitor and should be arrest for what he said in this Speech.
    FBI has a website--turn him in
    I may be wrong.

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