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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Gil what are you talking about? You responded to me as if I was talking to you when I was talking to rev. So I don't get the relevance of your post
    OK, here's a hint.

    Every thing you post can be read and responded to by anyone that cares to.

    Understand now???

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Difference between looking like one and being one.




    I guess you fail to see the "lie" vs "liar" thing you just conceded here.


    Sic is only needed when something is mispelled and you're posting the way it was spelled by the poster. In this case its not needed because that's how the word is actually spelled.

    Idiotry Definition | Definition of Idiotry at Dictionary.com

    Understand?

    Not a real word. FAIL



    Only making a factual statement saying God-King when no one else uses it is pretty idiotic.


    I demonstrated your angle. Sorry.





    Saying I'm lying when I'm not is calling someone a liar. I know this is hard for you to understand. My argument was not a lie I gave you the chain of events.

    So then you were by your logic, calling me an idiot, since you said I "look like an idiot"....

    Thank you for admitting your name calling.

    I disagree, I called your arguments lies, you called me an idiot.






    Didn't I say before this is new information. I didn't watch Bush's state of the unions I didn't even watch this one I just saw the news clip on the guy shouting liar as that was all over the news.


    I don't believe you, I bet you cheered when they bood.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you want us to believe, someone who claims to know all about the reagan years, etc, all of the sudden discovered politics, and had no idea that bush had been bood?


    You can also post outside of DP, as I asked, you made the narrow claim ofDP to hide your selectvity....


    Please link to anywhere on the internts where you had a problem with people booing bush at SOTU
    Well now do you have me posting on forums in 2005? I didn't post in debate forums in 2005. Keep looking?

    Well Rev you didn't seem to know about it either when I asked you about it. So this was news to you as well. You seem to know everything right?

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Well now do you have me posting on forums in 2005? I didn't post in debate forums in 2005. Keep looking?



    So in other words, one must take you at your word, to which, imo, is suspect at best.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Presidential Address

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    I guess you fail to see the "lie" vs "liar" thing you just conceded here.


    Not a real word. FAIL
    Not exactly there's a difference between saying you look like something but when you say someone is lying you're implying they're a liar.

    liar  
    –noun a person who tells lies.

    You're saying I'm lying when I give you the chain of events you just said. Yeah you're calling me a liar. Keep dancing rev I'm used to this same old record you play.



    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    I demonstrated your angle. Sorry.
    Demonstrating my angle? Yeah Rev here we go again where you tell people what their position is when are you going to make the topic when you debate yourself?


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    So then you were by your logic, calling me an idiot, since you said I "look like an idiot"....
    I know language is hard for you to understand. Saying someone is lying is calling them a liar. There's a huge difference between that and saying you look like an idiot when you make the nonfactual statements you make.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Thank you for admitting your name calling.

    I disagree, I called your arguments lies, you called me an idiot.
    Disagree all you want but saying someone is lying is calling them a liar and its not the same as saying someone looks idiotic when they say Obama is a "God-king"


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    I don't believe you, I bet you cheered when they bood.

    Then you're being mighty dellusional today.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So in other words, one must take you at your word, to which, imo, is suspect at best.
    Well I can't take you at your word. You have yet to prove your claim

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    OK, here's a hint.

    Every thing you post can be read and responded to by anyone that cares to.

    Understand now???
    Gil gil I think we had a case of miscommunication. As I said in the previous post it looked like you were responding to the part about rev reaching and not to you saying DP existed in 2005. So when I responded and you responded I had to go back and double check what you were saying. Didn't mean to sound snappy it wasn't meant that way

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually, he's not correct. There are probably 30 million citizens that don't have insurance, but it's not because they cannot get it. For a significant number, it's because they don't want to get it. They'd rather spend their money on cars, a big screen tv, and partying. I've heard that the actual number of people that don't have insurance because they can't afford it and are not eligible for assistance is actually around 12 million.

    As for the illegal alien issue, yes, the bill specifically states that they are not eligible for coverage. BUT, there is no provision to verify citizenship in the bill. Republicans tried several times to have proof of citizenship as part of the bill and each time the Dems shot them down.

    If a bar owner declares to the world that underage kids won't be allowed to enter his bar for drinks, yet tells his doorman not to check id, what do you think will happen??

    No, the 30mil is those who cannot get insurance, primarily b/c of affordability.

    There is no proof of citizenship required to purchase insurance in the Exchange to be created, there is proof of citizenship required to receive any federal money to do so. The bills allow no free or subsidized coverage to any illegal alien.


    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    A PDF of the document was conveniently posted for you earlier. If memory serves, the finding is clearly stated in the third paragraph of the executive summary. The facts are on my side, you can either see for yourself, or choose to be ignorant, it makes no difference to me!


    You should read the bill:

    "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

    As I said, this statement is found in subtitle C and refers to subtitle C. Subtitle C discusses affordability credits.

    BUT AGAIN (and this keeps getting ignored) -- even the above is of little use without enforcement provisions.

    Affordability credits mean federal money to purchase insurance. The bill specifically excludes any federal money for assistance purchasing insurance. Continuing to believe the lies of those telling you otherwise is irrational.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    oh, yes, absolutely, the president IS correct

    there ARE indeed 30 million CITIZENS uncovered

    LOLOLOL!

    i wonder, when he spent SIX MONTHS talking about 47 million, exactly to whom he referred...

    30 millions citizens who cannot get insurance.
    There are more citizens who can and choose not to.
    And more non-citizens who are legally in the US who cannot get insurance.
    And more non-citizens who are illegally in the US who cannot get insurance.


    Long and short of it, 47 million uninsured is correct; and 30 million uninsured citizens who cannot get insurance is also correct.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    And more non-citizens who are legally in the US who cannot get insurance.
    One of the dirty little secrets no one knows about is that illegals who go to a hospital that take Medicare DO NOT HAVE TO PAY. There is an account specifically for people who do not have documentation that is drawn from that pays for illegals. So they arlready have health insurance, just not a piece of paper that says so.

    Look it up.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    One of the dirty little secrets no one knows about is that illegals who go to a hospital that take Medicare DO NOT HAVE TO PAY. There is an account specifically for people who do not have documentation that is drawn from that pays for illegals. So they arlready have health insurance, just not a piece of paper that says so.

    Look it up.
    I believe you ... however the part of the quote you replied to was talking about legal non-citizens.

    There is a difference b/w legal non-citizens and illegal non-citizens, they should not continue to be lumped together and spoken about interchangeably.

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