You get called on it, and then try to shoot the messenger.
You heavily and candidly borrowed from Luntz tonight - almost right after his views were broadcasted - and didn't give him credit.
That is about as bad as it gets.
Here you go, your lack of caps in the end did pique my interest. The answer is, he changed from the amount of uninsured in the country to the amount of uninsured who can't get coverage:
OBAMA: "There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."
THE FACTS: Obama time and again has referred to the number of uninsured as 46 million, a figure based on year-old Census data. The new number is based on an analysis by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, which concluded that about two-thirds of Americans without insurance are poor or near poor. "These individuals are less likely to be offered employer-sponsored coverage or to be able to afford to purchase their own coverage," the report said. By using the new figure, Obama avoids criticism that he is including individuals, particularly healthy young people, who choose not to obtain health insurance.
The Associated Press: FACT CHECK: Obama uses iffy math on deficit pledge
And, conveniently, that same article again fact checks the claim that illegal aliens are eligible for free or subsidized coverage under the proposed bills. Once again, independent analysis demonstrates the GOP is FOS:
OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.
THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due.
The speech: What he said, what he meant - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.comWhat he said: There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage.
What he meant: I know I said as recently as last month that there 47 million uninsured, but I’m changing the baseline.
Nope, 17 million people did not just find insurance in the last month. The adjusted figure is part of the White House’s effort to distance itself from claims that health reform will cover illegal immigrants. Census figures, which will be updated Thursday, show there are 47 million uninsured – but about 10 million are illegal immigrants. Another five to seven million are people who could go on Medicaid, but have not. That leaves about 30 million that the president needs to cover under the bill. Expect to hear this number instead of the larger figure from now on, according to White House aides.
The fact that your "Factcheck" article's author failed to pick up on the difference between "people" and "citizens" doesn't inspire much confidence in the rest of his claims.
Last edited by RightinNYC; 09-10-09 at 01:46 AM.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
and you're wrong, i got it off the notes i took off the speech
it went like this, you prideless poser
i am not the first prez to propose health care but i am determined to be the last
he launched straight into health care, no long intro like usual
john dingell senior in 1945 proposed a universal plan, every year the current dingell introduces the SAME bill
standing O, reds sit
we've been at this 100 years since TR
he's using his hands very energetically every sentence
we are the only wealthy democratic nation on earth to treat our people like this
i intend to provide coverage to 30 million CITIZENS currently without insurance
13000 americans lose their coverage everyday (he's been saying 14000 per day for months)
i want to talk to those that DO have insurance
you may have insurance, but i want to guarantee STABILITY and SECURITY
if you move jobs, you may lose it
you may get dropped if you're diagnosed with something
the insurer may not fully pay for what you need
someone had gallstones that weren't even diagnosed at the time, lost coverage for that reason, denied chemotherapy and died
someone had double breast cancer and something about acne caused trouble with coverage and care and the cancer got bigger
this is wrong and heartbreaking
standing O, even the reds
still talking to those WITH insurance
do you know you spend 1000 a year covering those who aren't insured?
cost increases are killing the budget, nothing else comes so close to killing our budget as health care
the left wants single payer like canada (smattering of applause)
some on the right want to do away with employer provided care and have people buy for themselves (confused silence)
i want to build on what works and fix what doesn't instead of starting from scratch---standing O, led by reds
america has seen washington at its best, washington at its worst
his coalition of doctors, nurses, seniors, even insurance co's
we've got agreement on 80% of all this
dead silence in that room
disdain towards govt, scare tactics
unyielding ideological camps
for political points would rob this country of golden opportunity
(the word wasn't golden, i couldn't write fast enough)
time for bickering is over
time for games is past
season for action
standing O, peroration booms above it
now's the time
the limit is a personality whore