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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.

    The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

    You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) and tried to pass it off as your own without giving proper credit.

    It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
    and you actually EDITED that?

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    that you would blantaly repeat exactly what you heard on FOX News literally moments after it is broadcasted...and not even credit the claim to its proper source.
    blantaly?

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ah, but you sure TRY

    LOLOL!



    makshift?

    creditibility?

    LOLOLOL!

    keep perusing The powerful Prof, poser, it's positive to pay off

    perhaps one day you'll be apprised as to the personal responsibilities of WHIP

    LOLOLOL!
    You remain a petty plagiarist who makes his internet 'living' by passing off someone else's work as your own.

    You get called on it, and then try to shoot the messenger.

    You heavily and candidly borrowed from Luntz tonight - almost right after his views were broadcasted - and didn't give him credit.

    That is about as bad as it gets.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    There you go, Lmt's the one who answered it. Appreciate the lack of caps, tho.

    I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.

    Of course, the GOPer 'plan' had no such numbers attached.

    But, truthfully, I didn't have enough interest to begin to google around for you. Try researching the answer. You can let us know.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you don't know what you're talking about

    Here you go, your lack of caps in the end did pique my interest. The answer is, he changed from the amount of uninsured in the country to the amount of uninsured who can't get coverage:


    OBAMA: "There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."

    THE FACTS: Obama time and again has referred to the number of uninsured as 46 million, a figure based on year-old Census data. The new number is based on an analysis by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, which concluded that about two-thirds of Americans without insurance are poor or near poor. "These individuals are less likely to be offered employer-sponsored coverage or to be able to afford to purchase their own coverage," the report said. By using the new figure, Obama avoids criticism that he is including individuals, particularly healthy young people, who choose not to obtain health insurance.

    The Associated Press: FACT CHECK: Obama uses iffy math on deficit pledge


    And, conveniently, that same article again fact checks the claim that illegal aliens are eligible for free or subsidized coverage under the proposed bills. Once again, independent analysis demonstrates the GOP is FOS:


    OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

    THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    and you actually EDITED that?

    LOLOLOL!
    Do you honestly believe the above post is going to somehow makeup, or take attention away, from your plaigarism?

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Do you honestly believe the above post is going to somehow makeup, or take attention away, from your plaigarism?

    Once you get attacked for spelling, you know you've won, Limt

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Once you get attacked for spelling, you know you've won, Limt

    Ain't that the truth.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Borderline plagiarizing again, prof? Why don't you stop pretending as if you came up with this "47 to 30" right-wing talking point all by your lonesome.

    Anyone who wishes to know the true source of this wacky talking point can visit (Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com) and fast forward to the fourth minute of the Video, where Frank Luntz advances his ridiculous and predictable "47 to 30" attack angle, or should I say defence of Joe Wilsons total lack of decorum.
    Actually, this topic has been discussed in plenty of sources already. The idea that it's exclusive to this random guy on Fox is crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.
    Here's the actual explanation:

    What he said: There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage.

    What he meant: I know I said as recently as last month that there 47 million uninsured, but I’m changing the baseline.

    Nope, 17 million people did not just find insurance in the last month. The adjusted figure is part of the White House’s effort to distance itself from claims that health reform will cover illegal immigrants. Census figures, which will be updated Thursday, show there are 47 million uninsured – but about 10 million are illegal immigrants. Another five to seven million are people who could go on Medicaid, but have not. That leaves about 30 million that the president needs to cover under the bill. Expect to hear this number instead of the larger figure from now on, according to White House aides.
    The speech: What he said, what he meant - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

    The fact that your "Factcheck" article's author failed to pick up on the difference between "people" and "citizens" doesn't inspire much confidence in the rest of his claims.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    You remain a petty plagiarist who makes his internet 'living' by passing off someone else's work as your own.

    You get called on it, and then try to shoot the messenger.

    You heavily and candidly borrowed from Luntz tonight - almost right after his views were broadcasted - and didn't give him credit.

    That is about as bad as it gets.
    you're a personality whore, limit

    and you're wrong, i got it off the notes i took off the speech

    it went like this, you prideless poser

    paraphrasing:

    i am not the first prez to propose health care but i am determined to be the last

    he launched straight into health care, no long intro like usual

    john dingell senior in 1945 proposed a universal plan, every year the current dingell introduces the SAME bill

    standing O, reds sit

    we've been at this 100 years since TR

    he's using his hands very energetically every sentence

    we are the only wealthy democratic nation on earth to treat our people like this

    i intend to provide coverage to 30 million CITIZENS currently without insurance

    13000 americans lose their coverage everyday (he's been saying 14000 per day for months)

    i want to talk to those that DO have insurance

    you may have insurance, but i want to guarantee STABILITY and SECURITY

    if you move jobs, you may lose it

    you may get dropped if you're diagnosed with something

    the insurer may not fully pay for what you need

    someone had gallstones that weren't even diagnosed at the time, lost coverage for that reason, denied chemotherapy and died

    someone had double breast cancer and something about acne caused trouble with coverage and care and the cancer got bigger

    this is wrong and heartbreaking

    standing O, even the reds

    still talking to those WITH insurance

    do you know you spend 1000 a year covering those who aren't insured?

    cost increases are killing the budget, nothing else comes so close to killing our budget as health care

    how?

    the left wants single payer like canada (smattering of applause)

    some on the right want to do away with employer provided care and have people buy for themselves (confused silence)

    i want to build on what works and fix what doesn't instead of starting from scratch---standing O, led by reds

    america has seen washington at its best, washington at its worst

    his coalition of doctors, nurses, seniors, even insurance co's

    we've got agreement on 80% of all this

    dead silence in that room

    disdain towards govt, scare tactics

    unyielding ideological camps

    for political points would rob this country of golden opportunity

    (the word wasn't golden, i couldn't write fast enough)

    time for bickering is over

    time for games is past

    season for action

    standing O, peroration booms above it

    now's the time

    etc

    the limit is a personality whore

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Here you go, your lack of caps in the end did pique my interest. The answer is, he changed from the amount of uninsured in the country to the amount of uninsured who can't get coverage:






    And, conveniently, that same article again fact checks the claim that illegal aliens are eligible for free or subsidized coverage under the proposed bills. Once again, independent analysis demonstrates the GOP is FOS:
    why the pointed use of the word CITIZENS, which even mr luntz failed to note?

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