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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, the statement you or Marduc or whoever posted only applies to Subtitle C--Individual Affordability Credits, which is not necessarily "payments of any kind to illegal aliens."

    The CRS statement is not "spin" - they're referencing Subtitle A--Health Insurance Exchange, saying that illegals are not restricted from joining the exchange program (incl. public option).

    Taking a leap of faith on a 1000 page bill, one might arrive at the conclusion that the only way subsidies are provided are through IACs, but that can't be said for certain unless you not only read the entire bill, but really analyze it (a job for a law firm).

    Do you want to claim that there are no loopholes in the bill? The easiest way to close those would have been to state things as simply as you did, which is something they obviously decided NOT to do.

    ____

    But again, all of that is poop. Laws are no good unless they're enforced and the Dems refuse to include enforcement provisions in the bill.

    The CRS statement posted in this thread is not a CRS statement, it is a press statement by FAIR, an anti-immigration group.

    The section of the House bill quoted here applies to any federal monies to illegal aliens, it does not apply to only one section.

    Your comment about the exchange displays a lack of knowledge about what the exchange will be - a marketplace to purchase insurance. An illegal alien is not barred from purchasing insurance in the health insurance exchange created under the bill, but they would could not purchase it with federal money. They are not eligible, under any of the bills in the House or Senate, from receiving federal money. The actual CRS statement says that. The FAIR statement does not.

    Long and short, you are getting spun. There is NO money for illegal aliens under any of the bills.

    The actual CRS statement - with no anti-immigrant spin:
    bad link ...edited out

    edit: gah, that is not the link, either. have to google it.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    watch c-span

    and the list is very hurtful to dems, if that's what you mean by republican-circulated

    i circulated it, for example

    tho i'm a rather reluctant republican

    i won't quibble

    Republican-circulated means a republican created it, and started circulating it.
    You are just passing on Republican propaganda.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Borderline plagiarizing again, prof? Why don't you stop pretending as if you came up with this "47 to 30" right-wing talking point all by your lonesome.

    Anyone who wishes to know the true source of this wacky talking point can visit (Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com) and fast forward to the fourth minute of the Video, where Frank Luntz advances his ridiculous and predictable "47 to 30" attack angle, or should I say defence of Joe Wilsons total lack of decorum.

    "Up until tonight it was always 47 million Americans, but they realized was that they were defending health care...going to illegal immigrants and reazlied they had to take them out of the pool. So tonight the number is no longer 47, its 30"

    -Frank Luntz on Hannity

    Seriously, prof, if you're gonna parrot a talking point, at least have the decency to source it out correctly and not try to pass it off as your own.

    It just goes to show how utterly partisan your agenda is, that you would blantaly repeat exactly what you heard on FOX News literally moments after it is broadcasted...and not even credit the claim to its proper source.

    Absolutely comical.
    borderline?

    plagiarism is plargiarism

    i didn't see luntz

    if i'm so dependent on luntz where's his emphasis of the word CITIZENS?

    i don't even know, limit, did luntz use the word CITIZENS?

    what's YOUR explanation for the president's last minute change?

    or would you rather talk about ME?

    and my SOURCES?

    LOLOLOL!

    you're reading minds again, oh, savant who knows not baucus from his butt

    you do that a lot don't you, limit, read minds?

    LOLOLOL!

    i know you can't read c-b-o

    who'd i steal GATEWAY from?

    how come i know so much about energy-commerce?

    probably more than luntz

    LOLOL!

    what did elmendorf say, limit?

    where?

    when?

    to whom?

    what did it mean?

    who IS elmendorf?

    why don't you KNOW any of these things?

    why didn't luntz say CITIZENS?

    why did i?

    why should YOU care?

    cuz you're now a MEDIUM?

    LOLOL!

    gonna do a SEANCE?

    LOLOL!

    maybe someone from the other side could teach you about feingold and wisconsin

    maybe the spirit world can clue you in to the meaning of WHIP

    LOLOLOL!

    BORDERLINE plagiarism, please

    as if anyone could possibly CARE

    smaller and smaller your obsession becomes

    extremely limited

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Republican-circulated means a republican created it, and started circulating it.
    You are just passing on Republican propaganda.
    the hill is not propaganda, jackalope

    and you still haven't answered an unmistakably direct question

    oh well

    bottoms up

    next round's on me

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the hill is not propaganda, jackalope

    and you still haven't answered an unmistakably direct question

    oh well

    bottoms up

    next round's on me

    Slowly now ....

    The Republican-circulated list on the purported Democratic 'no' vote whip count is propaganda.

    Thx for the drink!


    ps - someone else answered your direct question. I ignored it b/c it was all caps.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Slowly now ....

    The Republican-circulated list on the purported Democratic 'no' vote whip count is propaganda.

    Thx for the drink!


    ps - someone else answered your direct question. I ignored it b/c it was all caps.
    and just what was that answer, jackalope?

    why did the prez change his promise to advance coverage to 47 million americans to insuring 30 million citizens?

    no answer?

    i understand

    the reason really is rather recognizable

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    borderline?

    plagiarism is plargiarism

    i didn't see luntz
    Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.

    The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

    You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) and tried to pass it off as your own without giving proper credit.

    It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    and just what was that answer, jackalope?

    why did the prez change his promise to advance coverage to 47 million americans to insuring 30 million citizens?

    no answer?

    i understand

    the reason really is rather recognizable
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.

    The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

    You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) andtried to pass it off as your own without giving proper credit.

    It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.


    There you go, Lmt's the one who answered it. Appreciate the lack of caps, tho.

    I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.

    Of course, the GOPer 'plan' had no such numbers attached.

    But, truthfully, I didn't have enough interest to begin to google around for you. Try researching the answer. You can let us know.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.
    ah, but you sure TRY

    LOLOL!

    The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

    You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) and passed it off as your own without giving proper credit.

    It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
    makshift?

    creditibility?

    LOLOLOL!

    keep perusing The powerful Prof, poser, it's positive to pay off

    perhaps one day you'll be apprised as to the personal responsibilities of WHIP

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    There you go, Lmt's the one who answered it. Appreciate the lack of caps, tho.

    I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.

    Of course, the GOPer 'plan' had no such numbers attached.

    But, truthfully, I didn't have enough interest to begin to google around for you. Try researching the answer. You can let us know.
    you don't know what you're talking about

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