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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    You presume to think a republican-circulated 'democratic whip count list' has any credibility at all

    LOLOL !!!


    Post it if you must, but suffer the mockery as a result.


    edit - ps, I never saw any question posed, and only saw your comment now b/c your post was mercifully short. Buy yourself a paragraph. And a sentence with a period. And some proper capitalization. Maybe I'll read your thoughts next time
    i don't presume a thing, i posted info for anyone's benefit who's interested

    read it or not, i couldn't care less

    HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXTREME ALTERATION OF LANGUAGE, AT THIS LATE HOUR, FROM PROMISING EXTENDED COVERAGE TO 47 MILLION AMERICANS TO PROMISING INSURANCE FOR 30 MILLION CITIZENS?

    short enough for you, a direct question?

    take care

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post

    pdfs ugh

    Here ya go from the bill itself:

    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

    Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i don't presume a thing, i posted info for anyone's benefit who's interested

    read it or not, i couldn't care less

    HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXTREME ALTERATION OF LANGUAGE, AT THIS LATE HOUR, FROM PROMISING EXTENDED COVERAGE TO 47 MILLION AMERICANS TO PROMISING INSURANCE FOR 30 MILLION CITIZENS?

    short enough for you, a direct question?

    take care

    he had bad information.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    by the way, jackalope, i know those 44 a whole lot better than most around here do, i've been following their every move from the beginning

    we can't predict exactly how some of them will go, you're right

    but it really does look very bad, your own source indicates as much

    the source i cited isn't drudge, as has already been pointed out, it was the hill

    no one watches congress at the district by district level closer than the hill

    watch cspan

    indeed, the way the wind is blowing, it's gonna be MORE than 44 who bolt

    sorry

    I will buy you a drink in Lita's Tiki Bar after it passes .... hopefully you won't be too crushed at having been misinformed on the Dem 'no' votes ...

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    FactCheck.org confirms there will be “no federal subsidies for you if you’re in the country illegally.”
    That must have been taken out of context, because it's already false. For example, Medicaid will pay for certain types of emergency coverage. Even if it didn't -- if they clamped down on the rules -- the costs would still be transferred to local communities supporting county hospitals.

    Regardless...

    We only need to compare current immigration law with the current immigration problem to know that these stupid little clauses that politicians put in bills are meaningless if not accompanied by some provision of enforcement.

    We all know which party start to holler when you start trying to enforce things like immigration, voter ID, etc. etc.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Here ya go from the bill itself:
    that's very true, and that's very good

    but cynics will naturally point to the defeat of heller in ways and means on july 17, yanking e-verify

    i'm sorry, but whether or not illegals will be included is a huge and ongoing political issue

    hence, obama's bizarre change of nomenclature this evening from 47 mil americans to 30 mil CITIZENS

    it is what it is

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I will buy you a drink in Lita's Tiki Bar after it passes .... hopefully you won't be too crushed at having been misinformed on the Dem 'no' votes ...
    a rather boring response

    i don't drink

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    Re: Presidential Address

    The speech was just a bunch of propaganda BS. I actually found myself laughing at parts of it.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That must have been taken out of context, because it's already false. For example, Medicaid will pay for certain types of emergency coverage. Even if it didn't -- if they clamped down on the rules -- the costs would still be transferred to local communities supporting county hospitals.

    Regardless...

    We only need to compare current immigration law with the current immigration problem to know that these stupid little clauses that politicians put in bills are meaningless if not accompanied by some provision of enforcement.

    We all know which party start to holler when you start trying to enforce things like immigration, voter ID, etc. etc.
    I do not know what Medicaid does, or doesn't currently do, but the legislation under consideration specifically excludes payments of any kind to illegal aliens. There is a page reference to the bill. Stop reading the spinners and read the bill.

    The ones who say that illegal aliens will get free, or even subsidized coverage, under HR3200, or any of the bills in Congress right now, are simply lying to you.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    did you read your link?

    The version of President Obama's universal health care plan pending in the U.S. House specifically states that illegal aliens should not receive benefits, but one lawmaker believes the statement does not go far enough to stop illegals from claiming to be citizens so they can receive health benefits
    So maybe it does not go FAR enough, that is another argument. But lets look a bit more:

    wait here it is here is that one lawmaker.. or wait maybe not, its just his spokesman talking to World Nut Daily

    But Stuart Bybee, spokesman for Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., told WND restrictions on illegal alien enrollment are not clearly enforced under the House bill.

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