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    Re: Presidential Address

    obama tonite envisioned extended care to THIRTY MILLION CITIZENS

    bizarre

    not 47 million americans

    but 30 million citizens

    how do you explain this radical new departure in wording?

    very revealing

    no credibility

    rangel's ways and means stripped the heller amendment (e-verify) outta 3200 on friday, july 17

    i remember these things

    hr3200 as of right now is almost certainly gonna lose

    sorry

    the below was compiled by The Hill, it in no way can pretend to be a 100% accurate predictor, but it is a frightening foreboding of what's coming for 3200

    and remember, for a bill to have real life upstairs it has to get thru pelosi's place, y'know, strong, with momentum at its back

    not limping

    WHIP COUNT: DEMS LACK THE VOTES
    Wed Sep 09 2009 17:03:37 ET

    At least 44 more moderate Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record in opposition to the current health care bill in the House, a Hill source claims. Likewise, at least 57 liberal Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record saying they will vote against a health care bill without a strong public option.

    Unless multiple Democrats flip on their stated position on health care, Speaker Pelosi lacks the votes to pass a bill through the House on the strength of Democrat votes alone.

    WHIP COUNT

    44 Democrats Opposed

    1. Rep. Altmire
    2. Rep. Adler
    3. Rep. Barrow
    4. Rep. Boren
    5. Rep. Boucher
    6. Rep. Boyd
    7. Rep. Bright
    8. Rep. Carney
    9. Rep. Childers
    11. Rep. Cleaver
    12. Rep. Cooper
    13. Rep. Costello
    14. Rep. Cuellar
    15. Rep. Dahlkamper
    16. Rep. Davis
    17. Rep. Driehaus
    18. Rep. Ellsworth
    19. Rep. Gordon
    20. Rep. Griffith
    21. Rep. Halvorson
    22. Rep. Hill
    23. Rep. Holden
    24. Rep. Kanjorski
    25. Rep. Kaptur
    26. Rep. F Kratovil
    27. Rep. Marshall
    28. Rep. Massa
    29. Rep. Melancon
    30. Rep. McIntyre
    31. Rep. Minnick
    32. Rep. Murtha
    33. Rep. Oberstar
    34. Rep. Ortiz
    35. Rep. Perriello
    36. Rep. Peterson
    37. Rep. Polis
    38. Rep. Pomeroy
    39. Rep. Ross
    40. Rep. Shuler
    41. Rep. Stupak
    42. Rep. Tanner
    43. Rep. Taylor
    44. Rep. Titus

    57 Liberal Democrats to vote no on a bill without a strong public option

    On July 31, 2009, the Congressional Progressive Caucus sent a letter to Speaker Pelosi expressing their opposition to a weakening of the public option. The letter on behalf of 57 Progressive Democrats concludes, “In short, this agreement will result in the public, both as insurance purchasers and as taxpayers, paying ever higher rates to insurance companies. We simply cannot vote for such a proposal.” The text can be read here: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/upload...%2030%2009.pdf

    1) Rep. Woolsey
    2) Rep. Grijalva
    3) Rep. Kilpatrick
    4) Rep. Nadler
    5) Rep. Hare
    6) Rep. Roybal-Allard
    7) Rep. Ellison
    8) Rep. Blumenauer
    9) Rep. Watts
    10) Rep. Edwards
    11) Rep. Olver
    12) Rep. Kucinich
    13) Rep. Richardson
    14) Rep. Waters
    15) Rep. Conyers
    16) Rep. Chu
    17) Rep. Hinchey
    18) Rep. Johnson
    19) Rep. Watson
    20) Rep. Spier
    21) Rep. Pascrell
    22) Rep. Doggett
    23) Rep. Kaptur
    24) Rep. Hirono
    25) Rep. Filner
    26) Rep. Sanchez
    27) Rep. Fudge
    28) Rep. Lee
    29) Rep. Carson
    30) Rep. Jackson Lee
    31) Rep. Honda
    32) Rep. McDermott
    33) Rep. Clay
    34) Rep. McGovern
    35) Rep. Clarke
    36) Rep. Massa
    37) Rep. Pingree
    38) Rep. Jackson, Jr.
    39) Rep. Cummings
    40) Rep. Thompson
    41) Rep. Moore
    42) Rep. Payne
    43) Rep. Stark
    44) Rep. Towns
    45) Rep. Brown
    46) Rep. Hastings
    47) Rep. Valezquez
    48) Rep. Gutierrez
    49) Rep. Napolitano
    50) Rep. Sires
    51) Rep. Tierney
    52) Rep. Capuano
    53) Rep. Fattah
    54) Rep. Serrano
    55) Rep. Farr
    56) Rep. Delahunt
    57) Rep. Johnson

    DRUDGE REPORT: WHIP COUNT: DEMS LACK THE VOTES 2009®


    the 57 are mostly bluffing, they'd vote for a wesley clark, so long as he wore a D

    the 44, however, generally mean business

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    CRS analysis

    "The CRS analysis comes after weeks of denials by Members of Congress that illegal aliens could receive benefits under the House bill. These denials were echoed by countless media and health care "experts" who dismissed public concerns as myths, or as politically orchestrated attacks.


    "Case closed. Illegal aliens will be eligible to participate in the health care program offered by the House bill unless Congress acts to amend the bill," stated Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "The loopholes and omissions in the House bill are not there by accident," continued Stein. "These loopholes were intended to extend benefits to illegal aliens while allowing Members of Congress to deny those facts to the American people.""


    Maybe we are all just using different definitions for the same words.
    You are getting spun. You are not linking to the Congressional News Service, you are linking to a press service of FAIR, an Immigration Reform group, and quoting the president of that group.


    Illegal Aliens are not eligible to receive any moneys under any of these bills. They are specifically excluded from doing so.

    They are not excluded from paying full freight and purchasing insurance, but then neither are they now excluded from purchasing health insurance or health care services now.

    It is a flat out lie that illegal aliens will be eligible for free, or even subsidized insurance under any of the bills in Congress, or proposed by Pres Obama.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    It is a flat out lie that illegal aliens will be eligible for free, or even subsidized insurance under any of the bills in Congress, or proposed by Pres Obama.
    Joe Wilson is a liar and a disgrace to the state of South Carolina. I would be deeply ashamed if he were my congressman.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post


    Maybe we are all just using different definitions for the same words.
    From your link:

    About FAIR

    Founded in 1979, FAIR is the country's largest immigration reform group. With over 250,000 members nationwide, FAIR fights for immigration policies that serve national interests, not special interests. FAIR believes that immigration reform must enhance national security, improve the economy, protect jobs, preserve our environment, and establish a rule of law that is recognized and enforced.


    SOURCE FAIR
    Seems they have a bit of an agenda

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    DRUDGE REPORT: WHIP COUNT: DEMS LACK THE VOTES 2009®[/COLOR]

    the 57 are mostly bluffing, they'd vote for a wesley clark, so long as he wore a D

    the 44, however, generally mean business

    Stop believing the lies .... it's so silly.



    7:59 PM [Nate]: BTW, the story on Drudge right now about Dems' "whip count" on health care is, of course, total crap. That list lumps together liberal and conservative objections, people like Jared Polis who voted against the bill in committee but will vote for final passage, and basically any Democrat who raised any uncertainties about the health care bill whatsoever. Obviously, there are votes on the right -- and the left -- which are at risk, and passage through the House is hardly assured. But Drudge's list is nevertheless total crap.

    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: State-of-the-Healthcare Speech: Final Thoughts

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Stop believing the lies .... it's so silly.
    you presume to tell your neighbors what to believe and what not to believe

    cuzza silliness?

    LOLOL!

    tell it to The Hill

    and you never answered the one question posed

    how do you explain the change in wording, at this late hour, from extending coverage to 47 million americans to providing insurance for 30 million CITIZENS?

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you presume to tell your neighbors what to believe and what not to believe

    cuzza silliness?

    LOLOL!

    tell it to The Hill

    and you never answered the one question posed

    how do you explain the change in wording, at this late hour, from extending coverage to 47 million americans to providing insurance for 30 million CITIZENS?
    You presume to think a republican-circulated 'democratic whip count list' has any credibility at all

    LOLOL !!!


    Post it if you must, but suffer the mockery as a result.


    edit - ps, I never saw any question posed, and only saw your comment now b/c your post was mercifully short. Buy yourself a paragraph. And a sentence with a period. And some proper capitalization. Maybe I'll read your thoughts next time
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    You are getting spun. You are not linking to the Congressional News Service, you are linking to a press service of FAIR, an Immigration Reform group, and quoting the president of that group.


    Illegal Aliens are not eligible to receive any moneys under any of these bills. They are specifically excluded from doing so.

    They are not excluded from paying full freight and purchasing insurance, but then neither are they now excluded from purchasing health insurance or health care services now.

    It is a flat out lie that illegal aliens will be eligible for free, or even subsidized insurance under any of the bills in Congress, or proposed by Pres Obama.

    Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200



    "Exchange
    Under H.R. 3200, a “Health Insurance Exchange” would begin operation in 2013 and would offer
    private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would not be an insurer; it would provide
    eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers’ plans, including the public
    option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if
    they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare
    and generally Medicaid).26 H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether
    legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in
    the Exchange.27 However, as discussed above, H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens
    would be required to have health insurance
    ."


    pdfs ugh
    Thank you

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Stop believing the lies .... it's so silly.
    by the way, jackalope, i know those 44 a whole lot better than most around here do, i've been following their every move from the beginning

    we can't predict exactly how some of them will go, you're right

    but it really does look very bad, your own source indicates as much

    the source i cited isn't drudge, as has already been pointed out, it was the hill

    no one watches congress at the district by district level closer than the hill

    watch cspan

    indeed, the way the wind is blowing, it's gonna be MORE than 44 who bolt

    sorry

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200



    "Exchange
    Under H.R. 3200, a “Health Insurance Exchange” would begin operation in 2013 and would offer
    private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would not be an insurer; it would provide
    eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers’ plans, including the public
    option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if
    they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare
    and generally Medicaid).26 H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether
    legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in
    the Exchange.27 However, as discussed above, H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens
    would be required to have health insurance
    ."


    pdfs ugh
    Akyron, they are lying to you. HR3200 contains explicit exclusions for illegal aliens and specifies that they are not eligible for any money under the legislation. The gov link I posted gives the page in the legislation that you can go to, to read the section.

    The bill does not allow free, or subsidized, health insurance coverage. Full stop.

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