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I never said that the bill said anything about death panels. I did, however, ask numerous times what was meant by the language of the bill sayin that, "the scretary would give an order for the sustainment of life", and never got an answer.

No such phrase in HR3200, nor one on any similar wording. Now I do remember you blowing a gasket about a secretary reference, but it was over something silly. Please feel free to find the reference you are referring to in the bill and we can hold your hand and explain it to you. Make sure you include where in the bill it is.
 
Perhaps you should try addressing my points rather than making little off topic jabs. :2wave:

I've addressed every comment you've made. You're unable to support any of them.
 
Let me get this straight here.. and I am not an expert in this field, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

In order to get government monies to offset the cost of health insurance, you need to establish that you are financially unable to pay for it.

The method that will undoubtedly be used is information from your tax return.

Illegal aliens are able, and in fact required to pay taxes, and do file; however they must use a ITIN in lieu of a SS#.

Permanent residents (green card holders) are assigned a social security #

the information from your tax return used to determine eligibility will likely contain your social, or ITIN for verification purposes.

If there is an ITIN used, then that would immediately flag someone as being ineligible.

Seems not a difficult thing to enforce here, and naturally there will be a few that may slip through the cracks, but this will not be done legally, and the fact remains that the proposed bills do not extend coverage to illegal aliens.

If the issue is enforcement of illegal immigrant laws, then that very well should be addressed -on its own, not as part of a health care bill.
 
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So, that makes it ok that this bill won't prevent it?

Aren't the people who aren't paying for health care the whole argument for passing this bill?

Illegal aliens are a law enforcement issue, not a health care issue. The bill does not cover illegal aliens, and any found will be subject to the appropriate penalties.
 
Originally Posted by apdst
I never said that the bill said anything about death panels. I did, however, ask numerous times what was meant by the language of the bill sayin that, "the scretary would give an order for the sustainment of life", and never got an answer.



This was explained to you several times by Southern and you ignored it everytime others explained it to you and you ignored their answers too.
 
No such phrase in HR3200, nor one on any similar wording. Now I do remember you blowing a gasket about a secretary reference, but it was over something silly. Please feel free to find the reference you are referring to in the bill and we can hold your hand and explain it to you. Make sure you include where in the bill it is.

Section 1233 of HR3200 has that exact language. Look it up.
 
We are all paying for HC of illegals every day in the ER of all hospitals. It will always be impossible to weed them out of HC entirely unless we authorize hospitals to let people die if they don't have proper paperwork.
Are we willing to do that?

Let's be grown-ups & face a few facts:
1. Sealing our borders will never be possible
2. We consider ourselves moral human beings

Therefore:
Unless we are willing to allow thousands of innocent children to starve/die we are stuck with providing HC, just like we already do every day.
 
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I've addressed every comment you've made. You're unable to support any of them.

I could care less what you think. However, you felt the need to reply to a quote that wasn't even directed at you and make an idiotic little jab. Once again, you are treading off topic by discussing me rather than the topic at hand. If you don't like my views I suggest you either ignore them or keep your comments on topic. Thanks. :2wave:
 
Section 1233 of HR3200 has that exact language. Look it up.

I just did and the phrase you offered is not in the bill. Time for you to do your own work.
 
We are all paying for HC of illegals every day in the ER of all hospitals. It will always be impossible to weed them out of HC entirely unless we authorize hospitals to let people die if they don't have proper paperwork.
Are we willing to do that?

Do you have proof of that? If they get free health care, don't you think they will go to the doctor/hospital a lot more often?
 
I could care less what you think. However, you felt the need to reply to a quote that wasn't even directed at you and make an idiotic little jab. Once again, you are treading off topic by discussing me rather than the topic at hand. If you don't like my views I suggest you either ignore them or keep your comments on topic. Thanks. :2wave:

Perhaps you should look in a mirror and say those exact words and start to live by them.
 
Perhaps you should look in a mirror and say those exact words and start to live by them.

Once again treading off topic. I'll repeat myself just in case you didn't comprehend it last time. If you don't like my views, ignore them. If you are going to reply, please stay on topic rather than resorting to personal attacks. It makes your debate style look weak that you have to resort to such tactics when you've run out of legitimate things to say.
 
We are all paying for HC of illegals every day in the ER of all hospitals. It will always be impossible to weed them out of HC entirely unless we authorize hospitals to let people die if they don't have proper paperwork.
Are we willing to do that?

Let's be grown-ups & face a few facts:
1. Sealing our borders will never be possible
2. We consider ourselves moral human beings

Therefore:
Unless we are willing to allow thousands of innocent children to starve/die we are stuck with providing HC, just like we already do every day.

There is where the health care reform needs to start. perhaps, if we weren't spending millions of dollars every year on free health care for illegal aliens, health care costs would go down, thereby lowering insurance costs.
 
Once again treading off topic. I'll repeat myself just in case you didn't comprehend it last time. If you don't like my views, ignore them. If you are going to reply, please stay on topic rather than resorting to personal attacks. It makes your debate style look weak that you have to resort to such tactics when you've run out of legitimate things to say.


The same goes for you, sir.
 
There is where the health care reform needs to start. perhaps, if we weren't spending millions of dollars every year on free health care for illegal aliens, health care costs would go down, thereby lowering insurance costs.

How do you propose we do it?...Be specific please.

(How about if we just make Cancer & Heart disease illegal???)
 
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It's not only that it's free, but vastly inefficient. Emergency rooms are expensive, opening a surgical pack to get one scalpel out is $500. Imagine the cost of other services in the ER that are vastly more expensive than a doctors office. Plus they clog up ER with bull**** medical problems when real emergencies could be serviced.
 
How do you propose we do it?...Be specific please.

Seal the border, as much as possible.

seek out, arrest and deport illegal aliens.

Make sanctuary cities illegal and enforce that law.

Require patients to provide proof of citizenship.

Just for starters.

Doing nothing isn't going to accomplish too much.
 
There is where the health care reform needs to start. perhaps, if we weren't spending millions of dollars every year on free health care for illegal aliens, health care costs would go down, thereby lowering insurance costs.

Which is why requiring them to have it, and making them pay for it themselves is part of the proposed legislation.

If anything it keeps more of their dollars here in the U.S. economy, as opposed to fueling the Mexican economy.
 
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