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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I said to my wife (during the speech) that this guy (Obama) is one of the great orators of our time, & I really believe that.
    I'm sure reaction to the speech will break down along strict party lines but I'm 62 years old & don't remember a speaker as elequent as Obama....Not even JFK. (my 2 cents)
    the effects of the speech no matter how good will only last 3 -4 days tops
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    Re: Presidential Address

    My view remains as it has been throughout the debate, any viable health care plan should:

    1. Materially reduce the incidence of uninsured Americans
    2. Should be budget neutral with a mechanism that would provide automatic spending cuts/tax hikes necessary to cover any shortfalls that occur at any time in the future.
    3. The plan should materially slow the rate at which national health care expenditures have been growing.

    It is the third point--the chronic growth of health expenditures in excess of economic growth--that makes the current system unsustainable in the long-term.

    To date, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)'s assessments have not indicated that the three principles are achieved by the various legislative options being considered. In fact, in the out-years (toward year 10), health expenditures are still growing at more than 6% per year. That is far about projected nominal economic growth.

    Furthermore, the Peterson Foundation revealed today that although one of the leading plans would be near budget neutral over 10 years, that budget neutrality would disintegrate beyond 10 years.

    In sum, although the President's address was strong, in terms of a speech, major issues remain far from resolved.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Yeah, I get CSPAN in HD. :awesome:

    Edit: What!?!? You don't have the :awesome: smiley?
    So how bad does McCain look in HD? I bet he looks 150 years old. Oh crap, Pelosi in HD!!! How could you stand to watch it?

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    the effects of the speech no matter how good will only last 3 -4 days tops
    Almost regardless of the quality of the speech, the actual affects are quite limited. What will last much longer, are the President's tone against the GOP, and the distinguished GOP Congressmen who yelled, "you lie!"
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    the effects of the speech no matter how good will only last 3 -4 days tops
    I disagree. I think it will firm up public support for his HC bill which will put pressure on the Blue Dogs (& maybe even some moderate repubs) & push Congress to pass something good.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    So how bad does McCain look in HD? I bet he looks 150 years old. Oh crap, Pelosi in HD!!! How could you stand to watch it?
    Funny thing, when Obama mentioned McCain's healthcare from the campaign, McCain turned to the person on his left, and it looked like he said, "he said my name," and smiled. I doubt thats what he said, but it was pretty funny. And then this other GOP guy who was literally texting during the speech.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    So how bad does McCain look in HD? I bet he looks 150 years old. Oh crap, Pelosi in HD!!! How could you stand to watch it?
    Pelosi was standing behind the president. It's unfortunate for him, as it means she is in most every shot of him.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I disagree. I think it will firm up public support for his HC bill which will put pressure on the Blue Dogs (& maybe even some moderate repubs) & push Congress to pass something good.
    That's being optimistic, at best. Looking back at Clinton's push for health care reform, he gave a great ad libbed speech, and got lots of applause, but his reformations still failed. We can't really say much about how this is going to go down, until we see it play out a tiny bit.
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    Re: Presidential Address

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Health care is a right .... gop-ers are making a fundamental miscalculation with that point.
    very frankly, I do-not-understand this mindset.

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    Re: Presidential Address

    I do think Obama made the GOP look silly sitting on their hands when popular issues were being loudly applauded byt the Dems....Nice visual.

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