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    Fines proposed for going without health insurance

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    Sep 8, 5:20 PM (ET)
    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday as President Barack Obama met Democratic leaders to search for ways to salvage his health care overhaul.
    In advance of what Obama hopes will be a game-changing speech to lawmakers, the one idea that most appeals to the Democrats' liberal base lost ground in Congress. Prospects for a government-run plan to compete with private insurers sank as a leading moderate said he could no longer support the idea.
    The fast-moving developments put Obama in a box. As a candidate, he opposed fines to force individuals to buy health insurance, and he supported setting up a government insurance plan.
    Now what? So if you don't have a plan or can't afford one you'll be fined? Is this suppose to be a selling point to the American public?
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

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    Now what? So if you don't have a plan or can't afford one you'll be fined? Is this suppose to be a selling point to the American public?
    Nearly all health insurance mandates are coupled with financial aid to those who can't afford it. This plan is no exception. No one is going to be fined because they can't afford health insurance.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    With no public option, this proposal is morally bankrupt.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Welcome to the Baucus, watered down plan. This is what the Republicans wanted, right? A watered down plan that did nothing real? This is what that looks like. No public plan, you get this crap. No single payer, you get this crap. Sorry, but the Moderate Dems and Conservatives have done this. Welcome to your Representatives' crappy ideas.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Comparing mandatory health insurance to compulsory auto insurance is ridiculous. Auto insurance is mandatory due to the the fact that you have the ability to cause injury or damage the property of others.

    Who's property am I that they can demand that I provide coverage to protect myself? I'm not hurting anyone if I elect to not have health insurance...
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Welcome to the Baucus, watered down plan. This is what the Republicans wanted, right? A watered down plan that did nothing real? This is what that looks like. No public plan, you get this crap. No single payer, you get this crap. Sorry, but the Moderate Dems and Conservatives have done this. Welcome to your Representatives' crappy ideas.
    How in the world does Republicans not wanting a public option translate into proposals to fine people for not having health insurance?

    Are you seriously saying "Either vote with us on a public plan or we'll fine your asses?"

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Grey View Post
    With no public option, this proposal is morally bankrupt.
    Well, it stated by being morally deranged.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Comparing mandatory health insurance to compulsory auto insurance is ridiculous. Auto insurance is mandatory due to the the fact that you have the ability to cause injury or damage the property of others.

    Who's property am I that they can demand that I provide coverage to protect myself? I'm not hurting anyone if I elect to not have health insurance...
    Yes you are. You're hurting the taxpayer and/or the hospital you end up at if you get hit by a bus.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes you are. You're hurting the taxpayer and/or the hospital you end up at if you get hit by a bus.
    Flawed argument, you're assuming I don't have an emergency fund piled away that could completely cover my costs.

    There's no reason I should be required to pay for health insurance when my lack of it would not hurt anyone but me.

    If I had government healthcare, the taxpayers would be paying for my care anyway, what's the difference?
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Flawed argument, you're assuming I don't have an emergency fund piled away that could completely cover my costs.
    Yes, I am assuming that. Most people don't have such a fund. You might be one of the few who does, but public policy should not be based solely on YOU.

    In the Massachusetts version of public health care, exceptions are made for people who are able to "self-insure" anyway. If it's that big of a deal, I'm sure this plan could incorporate something similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican
    There's no reason I should be required to pay for health insurance when my lack of it would not hurt anyone but me.
    If you are one of the few people with a couple million dollars in the bank, then I really don't care if you have health insurance. Otherwise, it is very much a public concern whether or not you have health insurance, just like it is very much a public concern whether or not you have auto insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican
    If I had government healthcare, the taxpayers would be paying for my care anyway, what's the difference?
    No they wouldn't. You would be paying a monthly premium for your public health insurance, just like you do now for your private health insurance, unless you were unable to afford it. Which contradicts your claim of being able to self-insure.
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