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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Of course, one thing this plan WOULD do is turn a whole lot of twenty-somethings, who as a group often choose to forgo insurance for quite rational reasons, into conservatives.
    This twenty-something strongly supports a health care mandate, as does most everyone else I know. In fact, young people are the demographic most supportive of health care reform.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

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    The fundamental difference is that one CHOOSES to participate with an insurance company, and may opt out for another at any time. You don't have a choice when it comes to whether or not you pay taxes.
    A public option would be funded through PREMIUMS, not TAXES, just like a private plan. You could choose to opt out of the public plan if you found another plan you liked better.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A public option would be funded through PREMIUMS, not TAXES, just like a private plan. You could choose to opt out of the public plan if you found another plan you liked better.
    You say to-may-to, I say to-maw-to; It's still a tomato.

    How do you differentiate between taxes and premiums paid to the government? ...they sound awfully similar.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Umm, perform life saving measures, stabilize the patient and then rummage for the insurance card which should be somewhere close to the ID that they are going to look for anyway.

    Then present them with a bill with payment options and allow them to pay it just like any other bill. If they don't, well then some authority can get involved to enforce payment.

    This isn't rocket science.
    By the time the hospital has "stabilized the patient," they've likely already incurred several thousand dollars in medical expenses. If it turns out the patient doesn't have insurance, then the hospital is SOL.

    Saying "just don't treat people without insurance" is impractical. Hospitals are ALREADY under no obligation to treat anyone without insurance, EXCEPT in the emergency room.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    How do you differentiate between taxes and premiums paid to the government? ...they sound awfully similar.
    One is a user fee for a service that you personally are using (e.g. health insurance, postage stamps, public bus fares, etc.) The other is a source of revenue collected from the population as a whole for things that ostensibly benefit the population as a whole (e.g. law enforcement, environmental cleanup, highways, etc.)
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    One is a user fee for a service that you personally are using (e.g. insurance, postage stamps, public bus fares, etc.) The other is a source of revenue collected from the population as a whole for things that ostensibly benefit the population as a whole (e.g. law enforcement, environmental cleanup, highways, etc.)
    You're splitting hairs... I pay a streetlight tax...I personally use those streetlights, which are on a public road. The government taking my money without my consent is a tax, no matter which way you look at it. I'm not completely anti-tax, just anti-big government, but let's be fair and call this whole proposed fine thing what it really is.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This twenty-something strongly supports a health care mandate, as does most everyone else I know. In fact, young people are the demographic most supportive of health care reform.
    I did say "a lot"; I didn't say "every" -- and favoring "health care reform" does NOT automatically mean supporting fines for not obtaining coverage.

    (Of course, any way you want to spin it, health coverage mandates are anti-freedom, so throwing "authoritarian" stones is inadvisable in that glass house.)
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    You're splitting hairs... I pay a streetlight tax...I personally use those streetlights, which are on a public road. The government taking my money without my consent is a tax, no matter which way you look at it. I'm not completely anti-tax, just anti-big government, but let's be fair and call this whole proposed fine thing what it really is.
    You can call it whatever you like...but I think saying that "the taxpayers" are paying for it is misleading, because it implies that it would come out of the general fund and people will have no choice but to pay this "tax."

    In reality, it would work essentially the same as private insurance plans: People who want the public option pay money in exchange for insurance coverage, and people who have health expenses receive a payout from that pool of money. Call it a "tax" if you like, but the only difference is that the government is the middleman instead of a private company.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    (Of course, any way you want to spin it, health coverage mandates are anti-freedom, so throwing "authoritarian" stones is inadvisable in that glass house.)
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

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