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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Of course, one thing this plan WOULD do is turn a whole lot of twenty-somethings, who as a group often choose to forgo insurance for quite rational reasons, into conservatives.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Of course, one thing this plan WOULD do is turn a whole lot of twenty-somethings, who as a group often choose to forgo insurance for quite rational reasons, into conservatives.
    Doubtful. American Conservatism anymore is largely an ideology of reactionaries, fundamentalists, and social conservatives. Its not as though they will all of a sudden turn into social conservative authoritarians. If anything, many twenty-somethings are more left leaning libertarians than anything else.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's just stupid. You could say the same thing about private insurance. The other members of your private insurance plan are taxpayers too. That doesn't mean "the taxpayers" are paying for it.

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    The fundamental difference is that one CHOOSES to participate with an insurance company, and may opt out for another at any time. You don't have a choice when it comes to whether or not you pay taxes.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Doubtful. American Conservatism anymore is largely an ideology of reactionaries, fundamentalists, and social conservatives.
    Even if that's true about the Republican Party, I didn't say "Republicans." I said "conservatives," which is what I meant -- your own baggage notwithstanding.


    Its not as though they will all of a sudden turn into social conservative authoritarians.
    Aside from the smug crap here, did I say that they would? Indeed, I did not. I do not use your self-serving definitions of these things.


    If anything, many twenty-somethings are more left leaning libertarians than anything else.
    Did you see the part about "turn into"?
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    The fundamental difference is that one CHOOSES to participate with an insurance company, and may opt out for another at any time. You don't have a choice when it comes to whether or not you pay taxes.
    Never mind that forcing someone to carry insurance is basically propping up the insurance industry . . . which I thought was, as a whole, bad?
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Even if that's true about the Republican Party, I didn't say "Republicans." I said "conservatives," which is what I meant -- your own baggage notwithstanding.


    Aside from the smug crap here, did I say that they would? Indeed, I did not. I do not use your self-serving definitions of these things.


    Did you see the part about "turn into"?
    This probably should be discussed in its own thread. But for all practical purposes, an ideology is defined by what the majority of its adherents think it is. For the majority of Americans that claim to be conservative, conservatism is reactionary and social conservatism / authoritarianism. Thus, for all practical purposes, that is what it is.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This probably should be discussed in its own thread. But for all practical purposes, an ideology is defined by what the majority of its adherents think it is. For the majority of Americans that claim to be conservative, conservatism is reactionary and social conservatism / authoritarianism. Thus, for all practical purposes, that is what it is.
    I don't think there's a smiley which has its eyes rolling so hard they pop out. If there were, I'd use it.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's a WILD idea...

    How about instead of fining people for choosing, you know that whole freedom thing, not to purchase insurance and choosing to take that chance simply because it may cost hospitals money you remove the requirements that hospitals MUST care for people regardless of whether or not they can pay?
    This idea has already been debunked numerous times in other threads. It is impractical and simply does not work. I'm not going to get into all the details again, so I'll just sum it up in a simple question: When someone is brought into the emergency room, bleeding and unconscious, do you want the doctors to treat them immediately or rummage through their pockets for an insurance card first?
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not the same thing. With private insurance everyone who has private insurance is agreeing to this and are free to leave it any time they wish. Forcing tax payers to pick up the tab and people voluntarily getting insurance are two separate things.
    No one would be forced to be part of the government plan, and they would also be free to leave it any time they wish. The mandate would just be that you have to have SOME kind of health insurance.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This idea has already been debunked numerous times in other threads. It is impractical and simply does not work. I'm not going to get into all the details again, so I'll just sum it up in a simple question: When someone is brought into the emergency room, bleeding and unconscious, do you want the doctors to treat them immediately or rummage through their pockets for an insurance card first?
    Umm, perform life saving measures, stabilize the patient and then rummage for the insurance card which should be somewhere close to the ID that they are going to look for anyway.

    Then present them with a bill with payment options and allow them to pay it just like any other bill. If they don't, well then some authority can get involved to enforce payment.

    This isn't rocket science.

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