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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    So you are letting yourself get caught up in subjective lingo? Why?
    Because that's the issue at hand...?

    Fines proposed for going without health insurance
    Did you want to dicsuss the issue at hand or do you want to start a new topic?

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Did you want to dicsuss the issue at hand or do you want to start a new topic?
    Again, you are getting caught up in the lingo, and there really is no need. Under the guise of a pigouvian tax, the act of the tax = a fine.

    Although it is quite obvious as to why you do not want to answer the question
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Again, you are getting caught up in the lingo, and there really is no need
    The issue here is the idea of FINES as a penalty for not having health care.

    If you want to dicuss something else, like taxes, go somewhere else and discuss it.

    Although it is quite obvious as to why you do not want to answer the question
    Its even MORE obvious as to why -you- don't want to discuss the issue at hand.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 09-11-09 at 12:45 PM.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The issue here is the idea of FINES as a penalty for not having health care.

    If you want to dicuss something else, like taxes, go somewhere else and discuss it.


    Its even MORE obvious as to why -you- don't want to discuss the issue at hand.
    I will repeat it once again. A fine is the same thing as a tax under the idea of pigouvian taxation.

    You have replied on a constant basis to my question, yet refuse to answer it? Maybe in an attempt to save face in front of other right wingers? If so, you have failed miserably....

    Answer the question: If under the idea of pigouvian taxation, a fine = a tax. Do you have a problem of taxes being proposed for going without health insurance?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I will repeat it once again. A fine is the same thing as a tax under the idea of pigouvian taxation.
    I'll take that as you agreeing with my supposition that you having no intention of discussing the issue at hand.
    Thanks for your clairity on that.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 09-11-09 at 12:53 PM.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'll take that as you agreeing with my supposition that you having no intention of discussing the issue at hand.
    Thanks for your clairity on that.
    I am willing to discuss the issue at hand. But your attempt to pigeon hole the debate will not work. I have already informed you how under this situation tax = fine. You do not accept it, and yet provide no explanation why.

    Therefore, we are forced to assume you are afraid to have this discussion with me because your previous comments will brand you a hypocrite. Now shuffle off once again
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I am willing to discuss the issue at hand...
    Good!
    Presuming for the moment you support the proposed fines, you can start by addressing the questions I raised regarding same.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Good!
    Presuming for the moment you support the proposed fines, you can start by addressing the questions I raised regarding same.
    I have already agreed that you cannot simply fine them, because you would have to say that not having insurance is "illegal". To harsh if you ask me.

    But, what they can do is say, there is a "non insurance". This then allows the government to take action, because not paying your taxes is illegal.

    So do i have your permission to take the debate to a higher intellectual level?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I have already agreed that you cannot simply fine them because you would have to say that not having insurance is "illegal". To harsh if you ask me.
    Really? I must have missed that. My apologies!
    Given that, we have nothing to dicuss!
    See how easy that was?

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Really? I must have missed that. My apologies!
    Given that, we have nothing to dicuss!
    See how easy that was?
    Are you afraid to answer my question? You can admit it.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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