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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Typical Liberal ideology. Progression for progression's sake, despite it's obvious detrimental effects.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    No they wouldn't. You would be paying a monthly premium for your public health insurance, just like you do now for your private health insurance, unless you were unable to afford it. Which contradicts your claim of being able to self-insure.
    If you think that the amount you pay in premiums alone is going to completely cover a major medical expense without the insurer having to shell out extra money, I don't know what to say other than you have no idea how insurance works...
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If you think that the amount you pay in premiums alone is going to completely cover a major medical expense without the insurer having to shell out extra money, I don't know what to say other than you have no idea how insurance works...
    The whole point of insurance is risk-sharing. Of course your premiums aren't going to cover a major medical expense, but most people don't HAVE a major medical expense. Actuaries determine what the premium should be based on the probable expenses.

    I'm not sure where exactly you think I said that your premiums would cover a major medical expense.
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

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    Now what? So if you don't have a plan or can't afford one you'll be fined? Is this suppose to be a selling point to the American public?
    No, you will be fined if you can afford health insurance and don't bother to get it.

    Right now, if you spend your health insurance money on a trip to Disney World or a new Plasma TV, you can just go to the emergency room and have your state foot the bill.

    People use the emergency room as their free primary care physician. Things like high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and obesity go untreated and unmonitored until a person has diabetes, heart disease, a stroke... and then guess who pays for the really expensive stuff...

    prof??

    Which would you prefer--people being responsible. People being irresponsible and letting everyone else pay for it.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Typical Liberal ideology. Progression for progression's sake, despite it's obvious detrimental effects.
    Thanks for the hyperbole with zero proof. Now, move along.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The whole point of insurance is risk-sharing. Of course your premiums aren't going to cover a major medical expense, but most people don't HAVE a major medical expense. Actuaries determine what the premium should be based on the probable expenses.

    I'm not sure where exactly you think I said that your premiums would cover a major medical expense.
    You specifically said the cost me having to go visit the ER after getting hit by a bus would NOT be paid by the taxpayer because of my premiums. If my premium doesn't cover it all, where is the rest of the insurance money going to come from?
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nearly all health insurance mandates are coupled with financial aid to those who can't afford it. This plan is no exception. No one is going to be fined because they can't afford health insurance.
    No. Even if this is the case, then those who can afford it are being fined because there are others who cannot afford the mandate.

    EDIT: <apologies to Hazlnut, he already stated this point>
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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Thanks for the hyperbole with zero proof. Now, move along.
    Oh touché mr hypocrite.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Welcome to the Baucus, watered down plan. This is what the Republicans wanted, right? A watered down plan that did nothing real? This is what that looks like. No public plan, you get this crap. No single payer, you get this crap. Sorry, but the Moderate Dems and Conservatives have done this. Welcome to your Representatives' crappy ideas.
    how about

    instead of getting their wet dream passed, they are going to pass a disaster so the public sees their wet dream as teh only way to fix it...

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Fines proposed for going without health insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    You specifically said the cost me having to go visit the ER after getting hit by a bus would NOT be paid by the taxpayer because of my premiums. If my premium doesn't cover it all, where is the rest of the insurance money going to come from?
    Umm
    From the other people who paid into the insurance plan who DON'T get hit by buses?
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