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    Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    "Prospects for a government insurance plan appeared to be sinking fast Tuesday as lawmakers returned to Capitol Hill a day ahead of a major health care speech by President Barack Obama."

    "House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters a Medicare-like plan for middle-class Americans and their families isn't essential for him to back legislation. Hoyer's comments came shortly after a key Democratic moderate said he could no longer back a bill that includes a new government plan."

    "The fast-moving developments left liberals in a quandary. Progressives have drawn a line, saying they won't vote for legislation if it doesn't include a public plan to compete with private insurance companies and force them to lower costs."

    Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan - Yahoo! News

    Looks like another nail in the coffin for a government option. Will other officials follow, and if so, who?

    I think many of the Democrats elected in 2006 and 2008 may drop support for a public option, especially those who were elected as fiscal Conservatives. The Democrats have a major split in their party, and many here at Debate Politics predicted this as a problem in 2006. Kudos to all our members who did.
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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    "Prospects for a government insurance plan appeared to be sinking fast Tuesday as lawmakers returned to Capitol Hill a day ahead of a major health care speech by President Barack Obama."

    "House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters a Medicare-like plan for middle-class Americans and their families isn't essential for him to back legislation. Hoyer's comments came shortly after a key Democratic moderate said he could no longer back a bill that includes a new government plan."

    "The fast-moving developments left liberals in a quandary. Progressives have drawn a line, saying they won't vote for legislation if it doesn't include a public plan to compete with private insurance companies and force them to lower costs."

    Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan - Yahoo! News

    Looks like another nail in the coffin for a government option. Will other officials follow, and if so, who?

    I think many of the Democrats elected in 2006 and 2008 may drop support for a public option, especially those who were elected as fiscal Conservatives. The Democrats have a major split in their party, and many here at Debate Politics predicted this as a problem in 2006. Kudos to all our members who did.
    Actually, I did not predict a Democratic split in 2006, but I DID predict one in 2008, before the elections.
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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I did not predict a Democratic split in 2006, but I DID predict one in 2008, before the elections.
    You are actually one of the members I was mentioning. I could not remember if it was 2006 or 2008, though. Thanks for clearing it up!
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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    This is exactly why electing a Democrat that votes like a Republican is no better than electing a Republican
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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    Its been dimming for 3 months now.

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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    "Prospects for a government insurance plan appeared to be sinking fast Tuesday as lawmakers returned to Capitol Hill a day ahead of a major health care speech by President Barack Obama."

    "House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters a Medicare-like plan for middle-class Americans and their families isn't essential for him to back legislation. Hoyer's comments came shortly after a key Democratic moderate said he could no longer back a bill that includes a new government plan."

    "The fast-moving developments left liberals in a quandary. Progressives have drawn a line, saying they won't vote for legislation if it doesn't include a public plan to compete with private insurance companies and force them to lower costs."

    Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan - Yahoo! News

    Looks like another nail in the coffin for a government option. Will other officials follow, and if so, who?

    I think many of the Democrats elected in 2006 and 2008 may drop support for a public option, especially those who were elected as fiscal Conservatives. The Democrats have a major split in their party, and many here at Debate Politics predicted this as a problem in 2006. Kudos to all our members who did.
    Good job. So wants next? A victory dance or serious discussions on a way to make some reform to fix an ever growing problem?

    Because I am going to assume by the descriptive analysis of Democrats being split, that all republicans have come together and agreed on ONE formidable solution to fix this mess.
    Last edited by JakeFromWI; 09-08-09 at 05:14 PM.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    The Democratic party has always represented a far larger ideological spectrum than the Republican Party. Anymore in the Republican Party you have a couple of moderates left in the North East, and other than that the ideological spectrum ranges from conservative to right wing extremist.


    With the Democratic Party you have centrists, moderates, pro-business democrats, pro-labor democrats, and liberals. It's why the Democrats are typically in power far more often historically than the Republicans. However, its also why you can't easily get something through like a public insurance plan. Personally, I think the whole CO-OP idea is a decent one and accomplishes what the public option is supposed to accomplish without some huge new government program.
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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    The objective is three-fold:

    1. Make health insurance accessible to everyone regardless of income level.

    2. Make health insurance affordable to everyone.

    3. Ensure those who have health insurance are able to retain it (i.e., ensure that it's portable).

    Now, the question is how do you do it?

    Solution to item #1: Expand Medicaid by lowering the federal poverty level.

    Solution to item #2: Remove the state boundary limitation and create co-ops and/or state-based health insurance exchanges to compete with private insurance.

    Solution to item #3: Lift the restriction to pre-existing conditions.

    Easier said than do, but if these are the objectives as outlined by the President, then it should only be a matter of finding the right mix to "get 'er done!"
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-08-09 at 06:14 PM.

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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    That's NOT good enough.

    The entire bill, all of it, ought be defeated.

    Then there ought to be a restart of Health Care Improvements.

    Among these improvements ought be...

    Tort reform (as a separate bill)

    Insurance freedom, as in being able to buy health insurance over State borders much like we can buy car insurance (as a separate bill)

    Improvements and a great increase in monitoring of health care providers. Much as the monitors the airlines and the pilots to make sure the public is served well and safely. (as a separate bill)

    ...and for the biggest improvement.....drum roll, please.....

    An increase of the total number of active doctors in this country from the estimated 800,000 now to a goal of 1.6 million by 2040!

    People, people, people.....I don't care how much money you and the government throws at this problem without doctors and nurse it's all just so much noise.
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    Re: Prospects dimming for gov't insurance plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The objective is three-fold:

    1. Make health insurance accessible to everyone regardless of income level.Why? Health Care is NOT a right.

    2. Make health insurance affordable to everyone.Read your #1. If it is a right why does it have to be affordable.

    3. Ensure those who have health insurance are able to retain it (i.e., ensure that it's portable).

    Now, the question is how do you do it?

    Solution to item #1: Expand Medicaid by lowering the federal poverty level.You mean....raise it vice lower it. Besides, Medicaid is run by the States.

    Solution to item #2: Remove the state boundary limitation and create co-ops and/or state-based health insurance exchanges to compete with private insurance.If these coops are run by the governments then it is a very bad idea. Removing the restriction of State boundries.....good!

    Solution to item #3: Lift the restriction to pre-existing conditions.Why? If you think about it, that destroys your whole plan.....if there is no limits to pre-existing conditions why have insurance in the first place? No insurance....no problem. If you break your leg, just buy health insurance after you break it. Why do it before you need it. Come on people think!

    Easier said than do, but if these are the objectives as outlined by the President, then it should only be a matter of finding the right mix to "get 'er done!"
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