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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Whoa!!

    Any time sodomy is committed on a child, that can be considered as forcible, since children do not have the ability to understand rape.
    With a child that age, it is safe to assume that the sodomy was coercive, if not physically forcible.
    It strains credulity to imagine that the child- a child, not an adolescent- wanted to be sodomized by this individual and had the capacity to understand the ramifications of that.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Just a minute here. Since I'm not in the mood to get into another little brouhaha about this, I'm not referring to coercion. I'm referring to physical force. If the sodomy was not physically forcible, that may have accounted for a reduced sentence.
    I don't think the law makes such a distinction, Agnapostate.
    Nor do I think it should.
    That would encourage a "blame the victim" mentality.
    "Oh, since you didn't fight back and have to be beaten unconscious, the perpetrator has committed a lesser crime and should receive a lighter sentence, accordingly."
    You see the problem with that?
    It makes child rape victims feel that they sort of deserved to be raped.
    In truth, child molesters typically use verbal threats and mental/emotional coercion to subdue their victims. Physical force is rarely necessary. Children are not very strong.
    Sentencing molesters according to whether they used physical force would not be right. It would send the message to children that they weren't "really" raped unless they fought and struggled, and in truth there is no point in it- an adult can overpower a child regardless- and it might get some child victims needlessly killed.
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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't think the law makes such a distinction, Agnapostate.
    I'm quite sure there's a distinction made, with there likely being additional assault and perhaps battery charges in addition to mere abuse charges in some jurisdictions in the case of some forcible or violent interaction as opposed to some coercive but nonviolent interaction.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I'm quite sure there's a distinction made, with there likely being additional assault and perhaps battery charges in addition to mere abuse charges in some jurisdictions in the case of some forcible or violent interaction as opposed to some coercive but nonviolent interaction.
    I edited and expounded on my idea; see my above post.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I edited and expounded on my idea; see my above post.
    I was making what I believed to be a factual statement, not an ethical claim. I was commenting on how I believed these issues were prosecuted, not how they ought to be.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I was making what I believed to be a factual statement, not an ethical claim. I was commenting on how I believed these issues were prosecuted, not how they ought to be.
    I don't believe it is factual, is what i'm saying.
    I know the courts no longer discriminate against adult rape victims who ask their attackers to wear condoms. That was an issue for awhile, and now it's been resolved.
    Attempting to protect oneself from HIV infection /= tacit consent to sex.
    A child attempting to protect himself from beating, maiming, or murder /= tacit consent to sex.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't believe it is factual, is what i'm saying.
    Yes, but you're also expounding on an ethical objection to violent and nonviolent interactions being prosecuted differently, and that wasn't my area of focus. Just saying.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    I find the churches actions brave, especially in a time when politicians love to bring up child molestation in order to make the public act like a bunch of slavering idiots. However, his sentence seems to be far to light considering his crime. In my opinion, he should still be prison, but I don't have a problem with him becoming a minister if he is out. He is being kept away from children, and it is better for society for him to be a minster than a homeless vagrant. Social pressure keeps people from committing crimes, and casting them out from society doesn't make children any safer.

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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Nothing new about pedophiles in the Church
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    Re: Sex offender to be ordained 8:56

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As much as I detest pedophiles, I could not help but think that Christ came to earth, not to save the self righteous, but sinners.

    Still, I would think in a religion your sin can be forgiven but not forgotten, especially with such hienous acts.

    There are a lot of things he could do in a church besides being a leader.

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