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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    hell even Glenn Beck makes this disclaimer:



    Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - List of Obama's Czars

    So presenting something that is in the eye of the beholder as factual is a bit dishonest, no?
    Ok fine let's just call them unratified, unelected, and unaccountable an unaccountable shadow government currently filling its ranks with the most radical of the radicals. How's that?

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ok fine let's just call them unratified, unelected, and unaccountable an unaccountable shadow government currently filling its ranks with the most radical of the radicals. How's that?
    If that were actually true. Several of the people Beck has on his list are cabinet level positions, were confirmed by the senate or had been confirmed in previous posts. Most of the czars have long resumes and are well qualified but hell its nothing like being the head of the Arabian Horse Association

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    i'm only reporting, here, i take no stand

    potential political problems for the president persist

    science "czar" john holdren, whom i believe has been confirmed by senate, co-authored a textbook in the 70's that advocated population control, even forced sterilization

    John Holdren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    regulatory "czar" cass sunstein, who's up for senate approval, i think, is an animal rights extremist, so much so he's called for a ban on hunting and he's argued for the rights of animals to sue humans

    Cass Sunstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    neither is in any danger of going the van jones route, direct to the curb

    which, for supporters of the president, may not be a good thing

    we shall see

    either way, it might be a bit difficult to deny the prez surrounds himself rather often with some real weirdos

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    I thought that the Holdren stuff had already been debunked.

    That Sunstein stuff doesn't sound like grounds for disqualification but if it becomes common knowledge it'll be a big embarrassment for the administration.
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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I thought that the Holdren stuff had already been debunked.
    Quite the opposite.

    Doesn't it bother everyone, conservative or liberal, that Obama has 30+ appointed czars that do not have to be confimed by, report to, or answer to Congress in any way? Seems he's usurping the system to get people with is views in place.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Quite the opposite.

    Doesn't it bother everyone, conservative or liberal, that Obama has 30+ appointed czars that do not have to be confimed by, report to, or answer to Congress in any way? Seems he's usurping the system to get people with is views in place.
    Anyone saying 30+ sure as hell can't count. Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate. Also several have served in posts where they were previously confirmed. How about you do your research on everyone on those lists

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote: Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    Ok fine let's just call them unratified, unelected, and unaccountable an unaccountable shadow government currently filling its ranks with the most radical of the radicals. How's that?

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    If that were actually true. Several of the people Beck has on his list are cabinet level positions, were confirmed by the senate or had been confirmed in previous posts. Most of the czars have long resumes and are well qualified but hell its nothing like being the head of the Arabian Horse Association
    What part of "unratified, unelected, and unaccountable an unaccountable shadow government currently filling its ranks with the most radical of the radicals" is untrue?

    Your statement; "Several of the people Beck has on his list are cabinet level positions, were confirmed by the senate" is patently false and I challenge you to support it with some FACTS.

    The TRUTH is that by creating all these "Czar" positions, whose primary purpose is to circumvent Congressional oversight and create lucrative high paying jobs for political cronies, is a BAD idea and perhaps even unconstitutional.

    I cannot fathom anyone defending this practice and watching the same people who railed about the Bush Administrations attempts to circumvent Constitutional processes while they desperately defend this practice reeks of irony.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Van Jones actions make him unfit to act as an adviser to the executive, and I am certainly glad he is gone. On the other hand, I don't like the attempts to use it promote Beck as a credible journalist. A single success does not change his constant failures. Hopefully Obama will get a clue about doing a little more research for his next czar pick.
    Where has Beck ever claimed he was a journalist? How amusing that TALK show hosts like Beck are denigrated for "pretending" to be journalists whom they never claimed they were while "journalists" practice something that better constitutes "gossip" columns than honest journalism.

    If not for people like Beck and Limbaugh we wouldn't even learn about these radicals because the mainstream media has basically become part of the Obama Administration.


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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    That's amazing. A politician does something clearly against anyone's idea of ethics and he is exposed and resigns.

    Republicans never do anything slimy. And they always resign.
    Gov. Sanford is a prime example of why this story means Obama and the everyone on the left are ALL corrupt and evil.

    A few posts and forget about it. Like I did with Abramoff, Stevens, and COUNTLESS others. But they are good christians. So whatever.

    Just proof Democrats want to destroy the US.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Quote: Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    Ok fine let's just call them unratified, unelected, and unaccountable an unaccountable shadow government currently filling its ranks with the most radical of the radicals. How's that?



    What part of "unratified, unelected, and unaccountable an unaccountable shadow government currently filling its ranks with the most radical of the radicals" is untrue?

    Your statement; "Several of the people Beck has on his list are cabinet level positions, were confirmed by the senate" is patently false and I challenge you to support it with some FACTS.

    The TRUTH is that by creating all these "Czar" positions, whose primary purpose is to circumvent Congressional oversight and create lucrative high paying jobs for political cronies, is a BAD idea and perhaps even unconstitutional.

    I cannot fathom anyone defending this practice and watching the same people who railed about the Bush Administrations attempts to circumvent Constitutional processes while they desperately defend this practice reeks of irony.

    I've already gone through the list on another thread with Scorpion let me dig it up. First why don't you tell me which of the people on your list are unaccountable and who they are I'll point out to you the cabinet level positions confirmed by the senate

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