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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    An appointed advisor with radical racists and communist views are nothing? Please explain, your point eludes me.
    It is nothing, absolutely nothing.

    Ask 100 Americans right now who Van Jones is, and I guarantee 9.5 out of ten Americans will have no idea who it concerns, or what the fuss is about.

    As time goes on, the number of Americans who know the 'Van Jones Story' dips even lower.

    And here you are trying to tell me this matters?

    It does not matter.

    No one cares but the right-half of the political class.

    And even then, they care only until the speech tomorrow.

    Don't kid yourself and don't overplay the importance of Van Jones or his wacky views.

    He is nothing.

    His views are nothing.

    And no one cares, or wants to care who the hell he is.
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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    It is nothing, absolutely nothing.

    Ask 100 Americans right now who Van Jones is, and I guarantee 9.5 out of ten Americans will have no idea who it concerns, or what the fuss is about.

    As time goes on, the number of Americans who know the 'Van Jones Story' dips even lower.

    And here you are trying to tell me this matters?

    It does not matter.

    No one cares but the right-half of the political class.

    And even then, they care only until the speech tomorrow.

    Don't kid yourself and don't overplay the importance of Van Jones or his wackey views.

    He is nothing.

    His views are nothing.

    And no one cares, or wants to care who the hell he is.
    So, based on your statement, due to people's ignorance and an extreme media bias the complete lack of judgement (giving obama the full benefit of the doubt that he is not promoting racist and radical agenda) on Obama's part by appointing this man is nothing...

    This, my friends, is a fine example of one of the many reasons why america is heading towards a VERY bad place...

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    sure, limit, the president's role in the van jones story means nothing

    simply the fact that MIKE ROSS saw it all go down is deadly direful to the president's credibility within his own delegation

    i'm talking HEALTH CARE

    why do you think so many DEMS are not supporting obamacare?

    he has sixty senators, remember?

    he has a 78 vote margin in pelosi's place?

    WHY CAN'T HE GET WHAT HE WANTS?

    there's lots of reasons, you can't shrink as fast as this prez has for less than lots of reasons

    but a BIGGIE was gates

    and van jones is HUGE

    what do you think MR DURBIN thinks about mr jones?

    what do you think MR CONRAD says?

    are you aware of ms mccaskill's sentiments towards obamacare?

    she just got her HEAD TORN OFF by her own consituents in southeast mri

    you're very wrong, chin stroker

    people WATCH these things

    and the president FAILS the judgement test

    this hurts his CREDIBILITY

    why do you think his polls are down double digits in the last 3 months?

    that'd be nationally, limit

    across the board, everyone has lost faith in this president

    but mostly, elected officials in his own party

    it's cuz he APPEARS like a leader who doesn't know what he's doing

    why do YOU think durbin said he'd be willing to cut the public option?

    you know he's WHIP, don't you?

    why did BAUCUS say, "the president is not helping"

    why does conrad keep insisting to anyone in leadership who will listen, we don't have the votes, we never had the votes?

    cuz mr jones and mr gates made the president look GOOD?

    LOLOL!

    you talk too much, limit

    you really don't have a clue about american politics

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    So, based on your statement, due to people's ignorance and an extreme media bias the complete lack of judgement (giving obama the full benefit of the doubt that he is not promoting racist and radical agenda) on Obama's part by appointing this man is nothing...

    This, my friends, is a fine example of one of the many reasons why america is heading towards a VERY bad place...
    What kind of racist or radical agenda could Van Jones adviser on green jobs have? All green tech must be black? We call it black tech? You act as if somehow Van had a really really important job like, I don't know the head of FEMA.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Again you don't seem to know Cabinet secretaries from cabinet level positions.
    Oh yes I do let see the Cabinet is made up of all who I listed they are also know as Sect. of what ever cabinet they are in charge of so shall we try this again which Czars is a Cabinet Position. The UN Ambassador Position is not a Cabinet Position Congress doesn't req. it as a Cabinet Position when the UN came about Truman try to have it put as one of the Actual Cabinet Position but Congress would let him because it a (Wait for it folks here it comes) AN Ambassadorial Position Congress didn't want to make all Ambassado's part of the Cabinet hence it's not part of the Cabinet the UN Amb. doesn't get to sit in on the weekly Cabinet meetings neither do any of the other so-called Cabinet Position only the one's that I list are part of the Cabinet, christ did you flunk US Gov in High School????

    Also do you really want to debate the list or lets get to the larger question and that is the czars need to go there is no Check and Balance their is no over site by Congress on the Czars hence they are Un-Constitional.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    due to people's ignorance
    Not ignorance, but indifference.

    I'm not for Obama, nor against Obama. I am, I strive to be, an objective observer of politics. Whether it is 'fair' or not, means nothing.

    Deserve has got nothing to do with it.

    This Van Jones guy is nothing.

    He is a peripheral player in a vast game.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    What kind of racist or radical agenda could Van Jones adviser on green jobs have? All green tech must be black? We call it black tech? You act as if somehow Van had a really really important job like, I don't know the head of FEMA.
    Actually look at this man's speeches and public addresses and you will understand our concern...

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Oh yes I do let see the Cabinet is made up of all who I listed they are also know as Sect. of what ever cabinet they are in charge of so shall we try this again which Czars is a Cabinet Position. The UN Ambassador Position is not a Cabinet Position Congress doesn't req. it as a Cabinet Position when the UN came about Truman try to have it put as one of the Actual Cabinet Position but Congress would let him because it a (Wait for it folks here it comes) AN Ambassadorial Position Congress didn't want to make all Ambassado's part of the Cabinet hence it's not part of the Cabinet the UN Amb. doesn't get to sit in on the weekly Cabinet meetings neither do any of the other so-called Cabinet Position only the one's that I list are part of the Cabinet, christ did you flunk US Gov in High School????

    Also do you really want to debate the list or lets get to the larger question and that is the czars need to go there is no Check and Balance their is no over site by Congress on the Czars hence they are Un-Constitional.
    Once again I stated cabinet level position. Once again you argued that claiming no one was. Halbrooke was a cabinet level officer who was confirmed by congress. Just admit you were wrong and we can move on. You were wrong about none of these "czar's" being confirmed and you're wrong about this. Again you don't seem to know the difference between Department, Cabinet Level Officer, Cabinet Secretary and a Cabinet level position. I already showed you the whitehouse site I showed you wikipedia. How many more links do you need. The head of FEMA used to be a Cabinet Level Officer before Bush rolled it under DHS. Again you're trying to argue something after the fact when I stated clearly from the beginning.

    Which part of the Cabinet does the EPA fall under which Cabinet Secretary has sway over it? OMB? None as these are offices ran by Cabinet Level Officers something you still not seem to be able to understand the concept of
    Last edited by PogueMoran; 09-08-09 at 11:00 PM.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Not ignorance, but indifference.

    I'm not for Obama, nor against Obama. I am, I strive to be, an objective observer of politics. Whether it is 'fair' or not, means nothing.

    Deserve has got nothing to do with it.

    This Van Jones guy is nothing.

    He is a peripheral player in a vast game.
    Its hard to argue this is an issue of indifference when people aren't even informed on the issue at hand...

    As an example, if people weren't aware of the holocaust it would be nothing, according to your reasoning.

    (I am not comparing the current administration to Nazis, please don't criticize me for this analogy, while it is extreme, it applies and portrays my point well)

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Actually look at this man's speeches and public addresses and you will understand our concern...
    I have and nothing to be concerned about the Jones had no power. What exactly would he have "radically" been able to change.

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