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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You stated that none of these "czars" deserved their jobs, were unconfirmed or accountable. That was a lie on its face and was disproven. Also if you researched most of these people they have a pretty extensive resume and a background. But hell they're not head of the arabian horse association so you have a problem with them.
    I see that reading comprehension is not high on your things to do list either; I stated clearly:

    All of the people on that list who were appointed by Obama as "Czars" are clearly unaccountable to the American people as there is no Senate oversight on their appointments.

    I look forward to seeing who on that list was an actual Cabinet member that was confirmed by the Senate.


    Good lord, dude, debating someone who cannot even comprehend what is being typed is an exercise in futility. You may want to respond to Scorpions comments however.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    He signed a petititon which implicates the government in 9/11, therefore a truther. When did he stop being a communist? After he got caught?
    And at least 3 others are claiming that they where misled into signing it, as is Jones. Not saying he did not sign it, saying that there is some evidence that he did not intend to sign what he signed, if you follow. I see no proof, or even strong evidence, that he stopped being a communist because he was "caught".

    I am not saying he is a good guy, I really don't know. I do know that he has, at the very least, made some big mistakes, but I think we are polarizing the whole thing, making it an extreme, when I don't see the evidence that he currently is that extreme.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No there not, not a single one of the Czars are part of the Cabinet here is the Cabinet,

    Vice President of the United States
    Joseph R. Biden

    Department of State
    Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Department of the Treasury
    Secretary Timothy F. Geithner

    Department of Defense
    Secretary Robert M. Gates

    Department of Justice
    Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr.

    Department of the Interior
    Secretary Kenneth L. Salazar


    Department of Agriculture
    Secretary Thomas J. Vilsack

    Department of Commerce
    Secretary Gary F. Locke

    Department of Labor
    Secretary Hilda L. Solis

    Department of Health and Human Services
    Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

    Department of Housing and Urban Development
    Secretary Shaun L.S. Donovan

    Department of Transportation
    Secretary Raymond L. LaHood

    Department of Energy
    Secretary Steven Chu

    Department of Education
    Secretary Arne Duncan

    Department of Veterans Affairs
    Secretary Eric K. Shinseki

    Department of Homeland Security
    Secretary Janet A. Napolitano

    So there you have it now which one is also a Czar it shouldn't be that hard to point it out compare list and match any names oh wait that's right none of the Czars names match the Cabinet names because unlike the US Cabinet wich is required by the US Const. to be confirmed the Czars aren't.

    Oh and one other little fact not a single Czar was a former Cabinet Member yes allot of them held position in other Adm. but none of them were actual Cabinet Members.
    Most of the czar's you speak of dont directly work for the president but instead for those individual departments. So once again Scorpion your list is flawed as those are positions within the departments and had people who actually were confirmed. Richard Holbrooke was cabinet level under Clinton when he was Ambassador to the UN. Also some of the cabinet positions that existed under Clinton didn't exist under Bush so that's probably why you forgot about the former Ambassador to the UN being confirmed. So again do your research scorpion
    Last edited by PogueMoran; 09-08-09 at 09:13 PM.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I see that reading comprehension is not high on your things to do list either; I stated clearly:

    All of the people on that list who were appointed by Obama as "Czars" are clearly unaccountable to the American people as there is no Senate oversight on their appointments.

    I look forward to seeing who on that list was an actual Cabinet member that was confirmed by the Senate.


    Good lord, dude, debating someone who cannot even comprehend what is being typed is an exercise in futility. You may want to respond to Scorpions comments however.
    According to your list and Glen Beck all those on your list were appointed by Obama as being Czars. So again I stated your list was incorrect. That's why I asked you about it before you made such a blanked statement. So are you saying the list you posted was in error and you didn't know what you were saying before you said it?

    Keep moving the Goal posts.
    Holbrooke used to be Ambassador to the UN which was a Cabinet position under Clinton he was confirmed. I agree debating you who has a simple comprehension problem and doesn't do their research before posting gets pretty annoying. Think before you post next time troof

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Most of the czar's you speak of dont directly work for the president but instead for those individual departments. So once again Scorpion your list is flawed as those are positions within the departments and had people who actually were confirmed. Richard Holbrooke was cabinet level under Clinton when he was Ambassador to the UN. Also some of the cabinet positions that existed under Clinton didn't exist under Bush so that's probably why you forgot about the former Ambassador to the UN being confirmed. So again do your research scorpion
    Is this not what you wrote,

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate.

    So once again what part of the list I just put up of this Cabinet which we are talking about do any of the Czars hold or which Cabinet Person is a Czar.

    Oh and for the record the only Cabinet Position that wasn't under Mr. Clinton was Homeland Security. As for Mr. Clinton's Cabinet here it is,


    Secretary of State
    Warren M. Christopher
    1993-97
    Madeleine Albright
    1997-01
    Secretary of the Treasury
    Lloyd Bentsen
    1993-94
    Robert E. Rubin
    1995-99
    Lawrence H. Summers
    1999-01
    Secretary of Defense
    Les Aspin
    1993-94
    William J. Perry
    1994-97
    William S. Cohen
    1997-01
    Attorney General
    Janet Reno
    1993-01
    Secretary of the Interior
    Bruce Babbitt
    1993-01
    Secretary of Agriculture
    Mike Espy
    1993-95
    Dan Glickman
    1995-01
    Secretary of Commerce
    Ronald H. Brown
    1993-96
    Mickey Kantor
    1996-97
    William M. Daley
    1997-00
    Norman Y. Mineta
    2000-01
    Secretary of Labor
    Robert B. Reich
    1993-97
    Alexis Herman
    1997-01
    Secretary of Health and Human Services
    Donna E. Shalala
    1993-01
    Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
    Henry G. Cisneros
    1993-97
    Andrew M. Cuomo
    1997-01
    Secretary of Transportation
    Federico F. Peña
    1993-97
    Rodney Slater
    1997-01
    Secretary of Energy
    Hazel R. O'Leary
    1993-97
    Frederico F. Peña
    1997-98
    Bill Richardson
    1998-01
    Secretary of Education
    Richard W. Riley
    1993-01
    Secretary of Veterans' Affairs
    Jesse Brown
    1993-98
    Togo D. West Jr.
    1998-00

    So shall we try this again, oh and for the record while the UN Ambassador is confirmed by Congress it still isn't a Cabinet Position and the UN Amb. doesn't sit in on the Cabinet Meetings. Nice try keep swinging you might get a hit soon.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Holbrooke used to be Ambassador to the UN which was a Cabinet position under Clinton he was confirmed.
    No it wasn't see list above the UN Ambassador is not a Cabinet Position it's has never been.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Is this not what you wrote,

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate.

    So once again what part of the list I just put up of this Cabinet which we are talking about do any of the Czars hold or which Cabinet Person is a Czar.

    Oh and for the record the only Cabinet Position that wasn't under Mr. Clinton was Homeland Security. As for Mr. Clinton's Cabinet here it is,


    Secretary of State
    Warren M. Christopher
    1993-97
    Madeleine Albright
    1997-01
    Secretary of the Treasury
    Lloyd Bentsen
    1993-94
    Robert E. Rubin
    1995-99
    Lawrence H. Summers
    1999-01
    Secretary of Defense
    Les Aspin
    1993-94
    William J. Perry
    1994-97
    William S. Cohen
    1997-01
    Attorney General
    Janet Reno
    1993-01
    Secretary of the Interior
    Bruce Babbitt
    1993-01
    Secretary of Agriculture
    Mike Espy
    1993-95
    Dan Glickman
    1995-01
    Secretary of Commerce
    Ronald H. Brown
    1993-96
    Mickey Kantor
    1996-97
    William M. Daley
    1997-00
    Norman Y. Mineta
    2000-01
    Secretary of Labor
    Robert B. Reich
    1993-97
    Alexis Herman
    1997-01
    Secretary of Health and Human Services
    Donna E. Shalala
    1993-01
    Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
    Henry G. Cisneros
    1993-97
    Andrew M. Cuomo
    1997-01
    Secretary of Transportation
    Federico F. Peña
    1993-97
    Rodney Slater
    1997-01
    Secretary of Energy
    Hazel R. O'Leary
    1993-97
    Frederico F. Peña
    1997-98
    Bill Richardson
    1998-01
    Secretary of Education
    Richard W. Riley
    1993-01
    Secretary of Veterans' Affairs
    Jesse Brown
    1993-98
    Togo D. West Jr.
    1998-00

    So shall we try this again, oh and for the record while the UN Ambassador is confirmed by Congress it still isn't a Cabinet Position and the UN Amb. doesn't sit in on the Cabinet Meetings. Nice try keep swinging you might get a hit soon.
    Wasn't your original post that none of these "czars" were confirmed by the senate and yet I showed many had been. Also the UN Ambassador was a Cabinet Level Officer under Clinton and is again under Obama so yes Holbrooke was confirmed by Congress. Didn't you say no one on the list was cabinet level and hadn't been confirmed? So I just showed you you were wrong three times in a row. Cabinet level positions are those working under various cabinets and not directly for the president.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No it wasn't see list above the UN Ambassador is not a Cabinet Position it's has never been.
    Under Clinton and Obama it is a cabinet level officer.

    From wiki:

    "It was a cabinet-level position under the Clinton administration and is under the Obama administration as well"

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_the_United_Nations]United States Ambassador to the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    I love how you cut off the rest of the list because it doesn't conform to your position

    There's the rest of Obama's cabinet level officers


    The following positions have the status of Cabinet-rank:

    Council of Economic Advisers
    Chair Christina Romer
    Council of Economic Advisers

    Environmental Protection Agency
    Administrator Lisa P. Jackson
    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

    Office of Management & Budget
    Director Peter R. Orszag
    Welcome to the Office of Management and Budget

    United States Trade Representative
    Ambassador Ronald Kirk
    Office of the United States Trade Representative

    United States Ambassador to the United Nations
    Ambassador Susan Rice
    http://www.usunnewyork.usmission.gov/

    White House Chief of Staff
    Rahm I. Emanuel

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    As usual, posters bring their ideology when it is not needed.

    The fact there exist thirty-something czars tells the objective observer these people have absolutely no power.

    Give your heads a good shake and wake me up one there is one czar controlling the land of the free and home of the brave.

    Until then, all this nuttery talk about this czar and that czar is just that - crazy opinions from ideological knuckleheads.
    ideology?

    objective observers?

    LOLOL!

    the existence of 30 czars indicates they're individually powerless, hrmph

    separation of powers, y'know

    LOLOL!

    it's not about POWER, silly limit

    it's P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S

    van jones is a TRUTHER, chin stroker

    he's on record blaming "white polluters" for poisoning "people of color communities"

    he sees COLUMBINE as typically HONKY

    LOLOLOL!

    and MR DEEP THOUGHT in the quote box above tells the erudite elites of dp.com---jones has no POWER

    so everything's OKAY!

    LOLOLOL!

    why, MISTER JONES is no LOSER, alleges limit

    no problem for the WHITE HOUSE, he cogitates

    POLITICALLY speaking, van jones is ROSES

    LOL!

    because he has NO POWER

    you don't often think 2 moves ahead, do you, rodin?

    how 'bout the powerless science guy who writes a textbook pushing FORCED STERILIZATION?

    and the "regulatory" "adviser" who wants to BAN HUNTING and give ANIMALS the RIGHT to SUE their OWNERS?

    LOLOLOL!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    sure, friend, all that matters in american politics is REAL power

    why, you can SAY just about anything you want down here in the states

    so long as there's never an ACTION to back it up

    yes, i've been watching this stuff go down for decades

    and you're absolutely right, limit, that's exactly the way it WORKS

    LOLOLOL!

    nice to SEE you again

    you never answered my questions last month
    Last edited by The Prof; 09-08-09 at 10:02 PM.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    I will only be happy and feel any sense of closure if Obama will publicly explain why and how this man was allowed to be appointed to a position in the white house...

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