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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The FACT that you exhibit a complete lack of comprehension of what these people do and control smacks of irony when you make claims that others engage in “nuttery” talk and ideological knuckleheads.

    By all means, give your head a good shake and try to wake up from the vast pool of denial you apparently are wallowing in.
    Once again, the above post smacks of a poster with no access and no connections. You are hyper partisan, nothing more.

    I may sound like a snob, but I find it incomprehensible how a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself can fall for media inspired bullsnot.

    How do I know these so called "czars" are not anything like you think they are?

    Simple.

    I personally know some of the good people - who are your neigbours - that have been appointed, and their families.

    I find it hilarious how some of you think they are "czars."

    Absolutely hilarious.
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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Did you read the list on beck's site even he doesn't claim that all are not confirmed. Just to point this out to you:
    Apparently you are unable to keep up with events;

    David Hayes, Not Haynes, nomination for Deputy Interior Secretary was blocked and successfully filibustered. Naming him as California Water Czar bypasses that process and thus proves the case of Obama operating outside of Constitutional oversight.

    Cass R. Sunstein is indeed outside of the purview of the Senate and was indeed made Regulatory Czar and I can find nothing on him being confirmed for any Cabinet post. Perhaps you can provide some proof to you claim?

    Earl Devaney is neither nominated nor has he been confirmed for anything. Unless you have some other credible information, this is another case of operating outside the purview of oversight.

    Jeffrey Zeints is one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Performance Czar when in actuality he is Chief Performance Officer and was confirmed; one for you.

    Dennis Blair is another one who was indeed confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Intelligence Czar when in actuality he is Director of National Intelligence and was confirmed; two for you.

    John Holdren is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Science Czar when in actuality he is Assistant to the President for Science and Technology and was confirmed; three for you.

    Herb Allison is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; four for you.

    Aneesh Chopra is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; five for you.

    So out of the 32 listed under Becks web site, 5 were incorrect leaving us with 27; so it begs the question, what is your point other than disagreeing with Becks classification or argument of what constitutes a “Czar”, there are still 27 plus people assigned by Obama to take significant roles in this Government outside of the oversight of the Congress and perhaps against the intent behind our Constitution and an obvious effort to circumvent normal procedures and oversight.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Go back to page 6 I spelled it out pretty clearly
    But you listed 8 and your argument is still pleading for a purpose; what is it?

    If there is any doubt about Obama's appointments, you can find them listed here:

    Head Count | Tracking Obama's Appointments | The Washington Post

    Here is a great article arguing what is WRONG with "Czar" appointments and why they are unconstitutional.

    - Czars are unconstitutional

    P.S. I think Glen copied this list from the website below:

    Untitled 1

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Once again, the above post smacks of a poster with no access and no connections. You are hyper partisan, nothing more.

    I may sound like a snob, but I find it incomprehensible how a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself can fall for media inspired bullsnot.

    How do I know these so called "czars" are not anything like you think they are?

    Simple.

    I personally know some of the good people - who are your neigbours - that have been appointed, and their families.

    I find it hilarious how some of you think they are "czars."

    Absolutely hilarious.
    What can one say to such tripe except; you are kidding me right?


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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What can one say to such tripe except; you are kidding me right?


    What you think is irrelevent.

    The truth is these people are not "czars" like some ratings hungry media personalites think they are.

    Not one bit.

    Why don't you email or call them, and ask for yourself?

    Last time I checked, it wasn't possible to email, phone or even talk with a 'czar,' yet they are very, very accessible people.

    Why? Because they are not 'czars' in the sense you're trying to make them out to be.

    You are on the fringe with your hyper partisan views, and its very obvious.
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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Apparently you are unable to keep up with events;

    David Hayes, Not Haynes, nomination for Deputy Interior Secretary was blocked and successfully filibustered. Naming him as California Water Czar bypasses that process and thus proves the case of Obama operating outside of Constitutional oversight.
    You might want to tell Glen Beck that on the link you provided even Glen says Hayes was confirmed by the senate.

    David J. Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    David Hayes is the Deputy Secretary of the Interior he wasn't blocked or filibustered. Do your research.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Cass R. Sunstein is indeed outside of the purview of the Senate and was indeed made Regulatory Czar and I can find nothing on him being confirmed for any Cabinet post. Perhaps you can provide some proof to you claim?
    Cass's appointment was blocked by Chambliss and so he has yet to be confirmed. His role is supposed to be head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs



    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Earl Devaney is neither nominated nor has he been confirmed for anything. Unless you have some other credible information, this is another case of operating outside the purview of oversight.
    Incorrect Earl Devaney has been the Inspector General for the Department of the Interior since 1999. Do your research before looking foolish. Before that he was Special Agent in Charge at the Fraud Division of the Secret Service. Not a nobody as you think. He earned his position

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Jeffrey Zeints is one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Performance Czar when in actuality he is Chief Performance Officer and was confirmed; one for you.
    Hayes was confirmed thats two for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Dennis Blair is another one who was indeed confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Intelligence Czar when in actuality he is Director of National Intelligence and was confirmed; two for you.
    Three for me
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    John Holdren is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Science Czar when in actuality he is Assistant to the President for Science and Technology and was confirmed; three for you.
    4 for me

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Herb Allison is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; four for you.
    5

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Aneesh Chopra is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; five for you.
    6
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    So out of the 32 listed under Becks web site, 5 were incorrect leaving us with 27; so it begs the question, what is your point other than disagreeing with Becks classification or argument of what constitutes a “Czar”, there are still 27 plus people assigned by Obama to take significant roles in this Government outside of the oversight of the Congress and perhaps against the intent behind our Constitution and an obvious effort to circumvent normal procedures and oversight.
    You stated that none of these "czars" deserved their jobs, were unconfirmed or accountable. That was a lie on its face and was disproven. Also if you researched most of these people they have a pretty extensive resume and a background. But hell they're not head of the arabian horse association so you have a problem with them.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate. Also several have served in posts where they were previously confirmed. How about you do your research on everyone on those lists
    No there not, not a single one of the Czars are part of the Cabinet here is the Cabinet,

    Vice President of the United States
    Joseph R. Biden

    Department of State
    Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Department of the Treasury
    Secretary Timothy F. Geithner

    Department of Defense
    Secretary Robert M. Gates

    Department of Justice
    Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr.

    Department of the Interior
    Secretary Kenneth L. Salazar


    Department of Agriculture
    Secretary Thomas J. Vilsack

    Department of Commerce
    Secretary Gary F. Locke

    Department of Labor
    Secretary Hilda L. Solis

    Department of Health and Human Services
    Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

    Department of Housing and Urban Development
    Secretary Shaun L.S. Donovan

    Department of Transportation
    Secretary Raymond L. LaHood

    Department of Energy
    Secretary Steven Chu

    Department of Education
    Secretary Arne Duncan

    Department of Veterans Affairs
    Secretary Eric K. Shinseki

    Department of Homeland Security
    Secretary Janet A. Napolitano

    So there you have it now which one is also a Czar it shouldn't be that hard to point it out compare list and match any names oh wait that's right none of the Czars names match the Cabinet names because unlike the US Cabinet wich is required by the US Const. to be confirmed the Czars aren't.

    Oh and one other little fact not a single Czar was a former Cabinet Member yes allot of them held position in other Adm. but none of them were actual Cabinet Members.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Another man's job ruined by the right. He renounced these ideas before he was hired and the right decided to destroy his job, reputation, and livelihood. I have never seen anything like the political atmosphere the Right is creating right now. The Clinton years were ridiculous, but this is like that on steroids. What gives? Throw all rationality, facts, and sanity out the door because you lost? Argh. Whether in power or out of power, the right continues to make Americans look very very stupid.
    He was a Truther and a communist...HELLO!?

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    That's amazing. A politician does something clearly against anyone's idea of ethics and he is exposed and resigns.
    He is a 9/11 TRUTHER and a COMMUNIST. You don't see a problem with that? Seriously!?

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    He is a 9/11 TRUTHER and a COMMUNIST. You don't see a problem with that? Seriously!?
    Truther is, to me understanding, debatable. Communist is past tense.

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    Re: Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Truther is, to me understanding, debatable. Communist is past tense.
    He signed a petititon which implicates the government in 9/11, therefore a truther. When did he stop being a communist? After he got caught?

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