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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    And of imperialism, evidently.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    No, imperialism is socialism that crosses national borders.

    What I support is individual rights, including free trade, and naturally the right to defend your life, liberty, and property from thieves, oppressors, and murderers like Chavez.
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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Imperialism is related to "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? That's certainly news to me; what's not new to me is the standard abuse of political economic terminology that Internet rightists are prone to engage in, though.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I have somewhat mixed sentiments about Chavez, but claims of his authoritarianism and tyrannical dictatorship don't have much merit,
    Ya I know things like packing courts, state seizure of private media outlets, outlawing criticism of the government (desacato 'insults to authority' laws), ruling by decree, creating million manned armed militias answerable not to the Constitution (which he rewrote by the way) or to the people but only to oneself aren't classic hallmarks of a tyrant.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Castro View Post
    If it happened in the UK they would be spending the rest of their days in a jail cell. In the US theres every chance they would have been executed.
    Can't speak for the UK, but you boys got any evidence for these wild claims about "what would happen" in the US? Especially the "execution" nonsense? Examples would be nice.
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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya I know things like packing courts, state seizure of private media outlets, outlawing criticism of the government (desacato 'insults to authority' laws), ruling by decree, creating million manned armed militias answerable not to the Constitution (which he rewrote by the way) or to the people but only to oneself aren't classic hallmarks of a tyrant.
    Of course, of course. Would you care to provide for...evidence of such, or will this be a claim to stand alongside:

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um CIA Agents are citizens of the U.S. as well and thus have a vested interest in the continuance of liberty.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    really depends on the military, will they be willing to fire on unarmed citizens if Chavez orders it?
    No the last time that Chavez ordered the military to fire on unarmed civilians they staged a coup which is why Chavez has created the Venezuelan version of the CDRs in the form of his personal million man armed militia. Chavez has his own little praetorian guard.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Can't speak for the UK, but you boys got any evidence for these wild claims about "what would happen" in the US? Especially the "execution" nonsense? Examples would be nice.
    I can't say if actual execution would occur, but endorsement of an anti-democratic coup that resulted in the kidnapping of the president and suspension of other democratic institutions would probably be grounds for treason charges in the U.S.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Imperialism is related to "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? That's certainly news to me; what's not new to me is the standard abuse of political economic terminology that Internet rightists are prone to engage in, though.
    "Collective ownership" is an oxymoron.

    It seems that pretty much everything that is rational and based on empirical evidence is "new to you". I'm sorry, but the word for that is stupidity. You have a lot of reading to do if you expect to ever elevate yourself above your present level of self-servicing gibberish that is completely detached from objective reality.
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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Castro View Post
    It's not anything to worry about, or cheer for if you are an imperialist. The crowds are tiny in comparison to what pro Chavez rallies attract, and certainly far less than vote for President Chavez and the revolution. We have learned from 2002 that if these bandits and terrorists try to seize power then they will fail, the people will revolt.

    As for the point about the military, that is not going to happen. I have faith the military are not stupid, they saw in the coup what this "opposition" is, a violent, murderous beast. And Chavez is unlikely to order shots on unarmed people, if for nothing else, that is the tactic of the opposition, that is what they do, that is what the did in 2002 and Chavez is above their level.
    lol the reason why the coup occurred is precisely because the tyrant Chavez ordered the military to fire on unarmed civilians.

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