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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The point was, you are supporting regimes which have taken steps to restrain freedom of speech.

    Your response consisted of telling him that if he didn't agree with you he was an evil yankee capitalist imperialist, while completely ignoring the above point.

    I just thought I might point that out.
    That makes me wonder why the words bandits and terrorists were in bold, because that has nothing to do with anything he or you just said.
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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Can you provide evidence of such, or are we simply to believe that a head of state elected by wide margins several times who continues to enjoy widespread popular support after more than ten years in office and seventeen years in the public eye will suddenly revert to tyranny?
    So was Stalin,Mao and Castor but nice try shall you try for Double jep were the question get harder.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Venezuelan minister: More radio closures coming
    September 6, 2009

    (CNN) -- The Venezuelan government initiated a new charge against a private television broadcaster and said that 29 additional radio stations would soon be closed, the latest move in what critics call a crackdown on freedom of expression. The Saturday announcement by Minister of Public Works and Housing Diosdado Cabello, who oversees the state telecommunications regulator, came at a counter-rally to marches protesting the hardline tactics of President Hugo Chavez.

    Friday's marches against Chavez were in part to protest the government's closure of 32 radio stations and two television broadcasters last month. The government said the stations were shut down for violations relating to their broadcast licenses. Critics say the president was clamping down on critical press.
    Source: CNN.com

    By my reckoning, that's 61 radio stations and 2 television stations shut down within 60 days by the government of Hugo Chavez. Very reminiscent of the USSR and its communist puppet regimes.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Let's delve a tad deeper:

    Cabello also announced a new legal complaint against television broadcaster Globovision as a sanction for allegedly calling for a coup against Chavez during its coverage of Friday's rallies.

    Globovision carried text messages from viewers on a ticker on the bottom of the screen during the anti-Chavez protests that called for an overthrow of the government, Cabello said.

    "If you call for a coup, if you call for assassination, assume your responsibility," he said.
    Claims of suppression of media dissent are of course to be expected, and will come as they did when RCTV did not gain license renewal in 2007. However, the more accurate reality is one of media broadcasters not gaining license renewals due to their endorsement of illegal violence against a democratically elected government that was briefly destabilized and its head of state kidnapped during a short 2002 military coup. This was certainly the case with RCTV, which continued to operate as a network broadcaster for five years after the coup until their numerous violations of their license contract were finally used as a basis for denying them renewal and continued to operate as a cable broadcaster even beyond that. One must wonder whether journalists in the U.S. and other allegedly "progressive" Western countries would have avoided prison time or other serious punishment if they'd engaged in such improprieties, especially considering the enthusiasm that some apparently have for the assaultive use of tear gas canisters against nonviolent and non-provocative reporters if their political and ideological commentary is regarded as unacceptable.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Let's delve a tad deeper: Claims of suppression of media dissent are of course to be expected, and will come as they did when RCTV did not gain license renewal in 2007. However, the more accurate reality is one of media broadcasters not gaining license renewals due to their endorsement of illegal violence against a democratically elected government that was briefly destabilized and its head of state kidnapped during a short 2002 military coup. This was certainly the case with RCTV, which continued to operate as a network broadcaster for five years after the coup until their numerous violations of their license contract were finally used as a basis for denying them renewal and continued to operate as a cable broadcaster even beyond that.
    Tens of thousands of brave Venezuelan protestors don't buy this hooey either. Venezuela had few problems with its media until the Chavez era. A remarkable coincidence no doubt.

    Speaking of the protestors, I'm wondering at what point Chavez adopts the more persuasive tactics of his buddy... Ahmadinejad.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Tens of thousands of brave Venezuelan protestors don't buy this hooey either. Venezuela had few problems with its media until the Chavez era. A remarkable coincidence no doubt.
    Nothing of the sort! The media elites have traditionally aligned themselves with ruling class pawns in an entirely non-coincidental manner. For example, during the 1992 coup attempt against the corrupt and deeply unpopular Carlos Andres Perez, his staff merely needed to contact available personnel at wealthy media mogul Gustavo Cisneros's Venevision network (which was later to be a meetingplace for anti-democratic military personnel during the 2002 coup) to arrange for him to issue a television address that disingenuously proclaimed that the turbulent situation was under control. Conversely, there existed substantial media bias against Chavez from the period immediately after his release from prison that intensified after his presidential election and inauguration, and was protested in the fall of 1999 by an organization called the Congress of Venezuelan Artists and Intellectuals through a sit-in at the Caracas Associated Press office. During the 2002 coup itself, several media outlets were responsible for the broadcast of disingenuous footage that falsely depicted Chavistas as responsible for several armed and unprovoked attacks on civilians...let's maintain our objections to allegedly disingenuous video footage, shall we?

    Regardless, the powerful and intense criticism that he continues to receive from Venezuelan media outlets and their often blatant sacrifice of journalistic ethics of neutrality in favor of overt bias against him accounts for the strong dislike of national media broadcasters among the Venezuelan lower class. Reference to "tens of thousands of protesters" obviously isn't intended to focus on the actual nature of popular support for the Chavez administration, which has always been and continues to be quite substantial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Speaking of the protestors, I'm wondering at what point Chavez adopts the more persuasive tactics of his buddy... Ahmadinejad.
    Aside from the fact that the depiction of governmental suppression of nonviolent protests is an exaggerated created by Western media outlets (this of course has lamentably occurred, though there is also suppression of violent outbursts and disruptions that is ignored as well as pro-Ahmadinejad rallies that are glossed over), a visit with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hardly establishes Chavez as somehow identical to him any more than his visit to Saddam Hussein did...I suspect that Ahmadinejad wouldn't have been eager to meet with Chavez if he was replicating Saddam Hussein's mannerisms.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Why closing so many Venezuelan media outlets?

    Through her their promotion of an unacceptable ideological perspective, which is a plague that cries out for swift and vigilant repression.
    I couldn't have said it any better

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Let's delve a tad deeper:



    Claims of suppression of media dissent are of course to be expected, and will come as they did when RCTV did not gain license renewal in 2007. However, the more accurate reality is one of media broadcasters not gaining license renewals due to their endorsement of illegal violence against a democratically elected government that was briefly destabilized and its head of state kidnapped during a short 2002 military coup. This was certainly the case with RCTV, which continued to operate as a network broadcaster for five years after the coup until their numerous violations of their license contract were finally used as a basis for denying them renewal and continued to operate as a cable broadcaster even beyond that. One must wonder whether journalists in the U.S. and other allegedly "progressive" Western countries would have avoided prison time or other serious punishment if they'd engaged in such improprieties, especially considering the enthusiasm that some apparently have for the assaultive use of tear gas canisters against nonviolent and non-provocative reporters if their political and ideological commentary is regarded as unacceptable.
    If it happened in the UK they would be spending the rest of their days in a jail cell. In the US theres every chance they would have been executed.
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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Shayah View Post
    I couldn't have said it any better
    That's probably because you didn't say anything.

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    Re: Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

    I'm a big fan of political assassinations personally.

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