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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Cap, I have a kid in public school. Now I know that public schools vary considerably, but in my personal experience it's like I said: he may not be exactly right, but he isn't far wrong. Half the kids my son goes to school with seem to be vying for the yearbook title "Most Likely To Die In Prison".
    I work and have worked with hundreds from public schools. Your example is the vast, vast, vast minority of students. It's an unfounded overgeneralization. Just like the one that says that all/most home schooled kids are freaks and completely socially awkward.
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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

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    But "one anecdotal opinion is as good as another," amirite?
    No, mine is always better.
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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And guess what, Harry. As much as I am an anti-advocate for home-schooling, in this particular situation, I agree with you completely. The child should remain in the home-schooling environment that she has been in. There is no reason to change it, other than bias...and some of it seems religious in nature. The court seems to be considering making things fair for the parents over the best situation for the child. I disagree with that course of action.
    I, generally, disagree with rigid religious instruction combined with education.

    Whats your particular beef with non public schooling really though?
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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, mine is always better.
    And the person who started the unschooling movement (a significant component of the homeschooling movement as a whole), was a former teacher who interacted with thousands of students.

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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    And the person who started the unschooling movement (a significant component of the homeschooling movement as a whole), was a former teacher who interacted with thousands of students.
    Like I said. MINE is better.
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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    ...he has his own wikipedia article.

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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I work and have worked with hundreds from public schools. Your example is the vast, vast, vast minority of students. It's an unfounded overgeneralization. Just like the one that says that all/most home schooled kids are freaks and completely socially awkward.

    Minority, yes. Vast-et-al super-tiny minority as you suggest....well that has not been my experience, either as a student thirty years ago or as a parent today.

    A nearby small city has recently had to enact a 10pm curfew against all persons under 18. The reason being, thousands of teens were congregating downtown at night and staying there until the wee small hours, and there were fights, vandalism, theft and miscellanous mayhem to a degree the city council found quite alarming.

    There is plenty of other evidence that "all is not well" with a significant minority of modern teens.

    Granted, every generation in history seems to think their successor generation is worse than they were, and some of that is probably perception... but I think that there is merit in the argument that the past 40 years has seen a substantial and significant decline in respect, manners, morals, ethics, obedience to the law, and so forth with each succeeding generation. From what I've seen I think it is all but inarguable...but if there is concrete evidence that it is not so, I'd be pleased to be proven wrong.

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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A nearby small city has recently had to enact a 10pm curfew against all persons under 18. The reason being, thousands of teens were congregating downtown at night and staying there until the wee small hours, and there were fights, vandalism, theft and miscellanous mayhem to a degree the city council found quite alarming.
    Considering the likely unconstitutional nature of curfews, you'll have to understand that many will not welcome that as a positive sign of beneficial policies. This is underscored by the lack of support for the premise that youth curfews play any significant role in crime reduction in the available empirical literature, as illustrated in Males and Macallair's An Analysis of Curfew Enforcement and Juvenile Crime in California.

    In recent years cities and localities across the country have expanded the use of youth curfews to address growing public concern about juvenile crime and violence. By reducing the number of youth on the street during certain hours, curfews are assumed to lower the risk factors associated with youth crime. Curfews have been widely cited by policy makers as an effective tool for reducing youth crime. However, no comprehensive analysis of the effects of these laws has been completed. This study analyzes arrest, reported crime, and mortality data from jurisdictions throughout California for the 1980-97 period. There is no support for the hypothesis that jurisdictions with curfews experience lower crime levels, accelerated youth crime reduction, or lower rates of juvenile violent death than jurisdictions without curfews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is plenty of other evidence that "all is not well" with a significant minority of modern teens...I think that there is merit in the argument that the past 40 years has seen a substantial and significant decline in respect, manners, morals, ethics, obedience to the law, and so forth with each succeeding generation. From what I've seen I think it is all but inarguable...but if there is concrete evidence that it is not so, I'd be pleased to be proven wrong.
    "Manners, morals, ethics...?" The ambiguous nature of such a description obviously renders your request somewhat unclear, but I do usually point out that widespread youth addiction to vice, for instance, is largely a myth manufactured by the mass media. Drug crises, for instance, primarily exist among older generations rather than youth, though the latter is more commonly scapegoated by the media and punditry. As to sexual issues, rampant teenage promiscuity is largely the stuff of myths, exacerbated by overhyped and nonsensical "reports" of oral sex epidemics and rainbow parties, as well as misinformation regarding the alleged economic costs of teenage pregnancy. When it comes to alcohol, underage drinking and alcohol-related problems are decreasing, and in my view, the U.S. would do well to look to the European experience with alcohol, in which moderate consumption is introduced to youth at a young age.

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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

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    Re: Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I, generally, disagree with rigid religious instruction combined with education.
    I agree with you, but I do think that this is the decision of the parents.

    Whats your particular beef with non public schooling really though?
    I don't have a specific beef with non-public schooling, though I think that many private schools can be more narrow in both their approach and their services. My issue with home-schooling vs. public/private schooling is somewhat well documented at DP...in fact I think you and I debated this about 6 months ago. It is more about my belief that the varied experience and diverse situations encountered, socially, in school, are the most important skills that our young people learn. Home-schoolers are often at a disadvantage in encountering these situations.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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