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Home-schooler ordered to attend public school

Minority, yes. Vast-et-al super-tiny minority as you suggest....well that has not been my experience, either as a student thirty years ago or as a parent today.

It's been my experience, both as a student 30 years ago, and as a professional working with dozens of schools, and scores of students, today.

A nearby small city has recently had to enact a 10pm curfew against all persons under 18. The reason being, thousands of teens were congregating downtown at night and staying there until the wee small hours, and there were fights, vandalism, theft and miscellanous mayhem to a degree the city council found quite alarming.

There is plenty of other evidence that "all is not well" with a significant minority of modern teens.

Granted, every generation in history seems to think their successor generation is worse than they were, and some of that is probably perception... but I think that there is merit in the argument that the past 40 years has seen a substantial and significant decline in respect, manners, morals, ethics, obedience to the law, and so forth with each succeeding generation. From what I've seen I think it is all but inarguable...but if there is concrete evidence that it is not so, I'd be pleased to be proven wrong.

Your presentation is all subjectivity. You need to define, "all is not well".
 
But he has a massive fan club and global following...:\

My fan club spans several galaxies and several alternate universes. In fact, by using my time displacement device, I had fan clubs before I was even born. He can't top that. :2razz:
 
I agree with you, but I do think that this is the decision of the parents.

I don't talk to most people about my home schooling but when they find out it's non religious.

They seem perplexed.

I don't have a specific beef with non-public schooling, though I think that many private schools can be more narrow in both their approach and their services. My issue with home-schooling vs. public/private schooling is somewhat well documented at DP...in fact I think you and I debated this about 6 months ago. It is more about my belief that the varied experience and diverse situations encountered, socially, in school, are the most important skills that our young people learn. Home-schoolers are often at a disadvantage in encountering these situations.

My situation in particular I have not expressed to my son a like or dislike of people from varied backgrounds i.e. Black, Asian, Indian etc.
It's funny though, he never mentions the race of people he interacts with and openly accepts them.

I think we are in disagreement over two different kinds of socialization.
I mean one thing and you mean another.
 
I don't talk to most people about my home schooling but when they find out it's non religious.

They seem perplexed.

Encounter percentages. +90% of all homeschoolers I have dealt with were homeschooled for religious purposes.



My situation in particular I have not expressed to my son a like or dislike of people from varied backgrounds i.e. Black, Asian, Indian etc.
It's funny though, he never mentions the race of people he interacts with and openly accepts them.

This is based more on your parenting style than your son being homeschooled.

I think we are in disagreement over two different kinds of socialization.
I mean one thing and you mean another.

Perhaps, but I think even if we were discussing the same issue, we'd disagree.
 
In the case of this particular judge, he may be biased against the mother, but it sounds as if he was mainly trying to let the father of the child have some impact on the child's upbringing. I believe he felt that the mother was having an undue influence contrary to the father's wishes, and that a public school environment would be a more philosophically eclectic one.
 
I taught high school students that came out of home school situations. They were among the brightest students and the most well adjusted in terms of peer interaction. Not sure what you are encountering, but people in public schools and private schools can be just as awkward.

You have to understand...I grew up in Utah, so there may be a lot of other/unique factors in play.

I'm not suggesting that my comments are true across the board, I'm simply stating that this has been my experience.

Perhaps there are factors unique to the "relgious" culture of Utah that aren't the same across the country.

The home-schoolers that I have known throughout my life in Utah grew up in super far-right environments. Some of them rebelled against this but still seemed to have emotional scars that they could never get over. Others that I worked with just never really seemed to fit in. You would try to engage them in the work environment but they always chose to remain on the outcast.
 
It's been my experience, both as a student 30 years ago, and as a professional working with dozens of schools, and scores of students, today.



Your presentation is all subjectivity. You need to define, "all is not well".

We have had different experiences, then... and if my anecdotal experiences prove nothing, neither do yours, I think. You've worked with many schools in a professional capacity, nonetheless that number of schools is very finite, whereas the total number of schools in the USA has to be in the ten-thousands at least. Your experiences are about as likely to have been with a non-typical sample as mine.

I did not and do not claim that my statements weren't subjective; they are. I think I was reasonably specific: from what I have seen, manners and respect for authority have gone in the crapper over the past 40 years for so many students; fewer students seem to exhibit any great concern over whether they behave morally or ethically toward others; violence among teens, while it seems to actually be less overall (talking about low-impact fistfights and such) also seems to have dramatically increased in severity and fatality compared to 30 years ago, as has lawbreaking from what I've observed.

I admit freely that these are my own personal observations and the opinions I've formed based on them. If there is scientific/statistical proof that it is not so, I'd be freaking ecstatic to be proven wrong. (In case you haven't noticed, I'm actually a rather cheerful person and having a negative view of the newest generation is unpleasant to me.)
 
I honestly can't see the child attending a public shcool as being any more socially damaging than being raised in a separated parent situation.

When the couple separated, for whatever reason, they placed themselves at the mercy of the court system.

I may not personally agree, but that doesn't mean that anything illegal has been done here or even that any new precendent has been set. The judge may be a jerk, but he was completely within his bounds to rule this way. The article seems like a media attempt to fan the flames of public outrage.
 
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