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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    have you noticed, you have been talking about me for numerous posts now, calling me a troll, and basically having a hissy fit....


    is that "irony"?
    How about you explain how this would be irony instead of just claiming everything is irony? At least it will give us something to debate about since you refuse to debate your own subject. Hissy fit? Come now this is just text there is no emotion in text. So still not going to debate eh?

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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Uh oh... With all the left wing threads recently about shouting down a wheelchair bound woman at a town hall meeting. I am curious as to thier position of one of thier own, biting off the finger of an town hall protester?






    Anyway, back to my thread.... If you notice, there is an unequal expression of outrage for certain characters in this debate, than there are for the opposition.....


    We have been called "tea-baggers", "unAmerican", and what not....


    But when the other side, uses union thugs, physical violence, do we see the same usual suspects so outraged they start a thread on it?


    Nope.


    The outrage is selective and political. Do they really think they are not transparent?
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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Anyway, back to my thread.... If you notice, there is an unequal expression of outrage for certain characters in this debate, than there are for the opposition.....


    We have been called "tea-baggers", "unAmerican", and what not....


    But when the other side, uses union thugs, physical violence, do we see the same usual suspects so outraged they start a thread on it?


    Nope.


    The outrage is selective and political. Do they really think they are not transparent?
    I didn't see much from your videos one had people who shouldn't have been there and then a guy getting removed its hard to tell from your video if he was actually assaulted. Do you have a better angle? Again the union guys were just as wrong as the people trying to stifle debate. They should have had the cops take care of it if there was a problem. So before you say there was selective outrage now you're saying there's just not enough outrage.

    How does stifling debate help the general populace be informed?

    edit: Besides it seems both the union guys in your view seem to serve the same purpose as these protesters. To intimidate. Both are wrong and both should not be allowed. There should be an open respectful debate
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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I didn't see much from your videos one had people who shouldn't have been there and then a guy getting removed its hard to tell from your video if he was actually assaulted.

    He tore his own shirt?


    Do you have a better angle?

    hmm. if he was on the other side, would you have started a thread on him?

    [quote[ Again the union guys were just as wrong as the people trying to stifle debate. They should have had the cops take care of it if there was a problem. So before you say there was selective outrage now you're saying there's just not enough outrage.[/quote]


    It is still highly selective to see on one hand, people starting threads for thier collective side, and on the other, having to pry a generic condemnation of thier other side....

    What say you about the democrat machine who orchestrated sending out the union thugs, or in that video, that politician, stacking his meeting with thugs to intimidate his constituents?


    See, we see detailed condemnation, in your thread, but here we see, uninspired condemnation at best....


    This is just an observation....



    How does stifling debate help the general populace be informed?

    I don't know, perhaps you should ask the union thugs who assaulted that feller, or ask that politician who stacked his meeting with them...


    I find that far more abhorrent, than angry citizens voicing thier opinions.
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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    He tore his own shirt?
    It was pretty crowded there like I said its hard to tell from that angle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hmm. if he was on the other side, would you have started a thread on him?
    Like I said I'd need more information it is not clear from your video unlike the other video where people are actually shouting the woman down its pretty damned clear. I try to vet information what do you do with yours?


    [quote[ Again the union guys were just as wrong as the people trying to stifle debate. They should have had the cops take care of it if there was a problem. So before you say there was selective outrage now you're saying there's just not enough outrage.[/quote]

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    It is still highly selective to see on one hand, people starting threads for thier collective side, and on the other, having to pry a generic condemnation of thier other side....
    Now you're doing the hokey pokey before it was selective now its just not enough outrage. I told you from the beginning after seeing the videos both sides are wrong. You seem to want me to throw the book at these guys. You won't admit that the shouters are wrong because they're on your side but then want me to condemn people who aren't even on my side. Which I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What say you about the democrat machine who orchestrated sending out the union thugs, or in that video, that politician, stacking his meeting with thugs to intimidate his constituents?
    I already told you it was wrong for people to be at the meeting who weren't from the district. Just as the people at the New Jersey town hall who were from New York shouldn't have been there either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    See, we see detailed condemnation, in your thread, but here we see, uninspired condemnation at best....


    This is just an observation....
    In my whole thread my condemnation was about the people shouting down anyone who they thought disagreed with them even if they were on their side. I stated this multiple times to which you ignored it. The people in New Jersey were unhinged they shouted down people on their own side as well because they sounded intellectual. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this before it sinks in for you. My problem is them lurching at anyone they perceived to be their enemies without even thinking about it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I don't know, perhaps you should ask the union thugs who assaulted that feller, or ask that politician who stacked his meeting with them...
    How would I be able to ask them if its not clear from the video who "assaulted him"? I can't see it in the video. Do you seem to know who they are?


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I find that far more abhorrent, than angry citizens voicing thier opinions.
    Both were meant to intimidate I find them both wrong as opposed to you only finding fault with the union.

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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    The outrage is selective and political.
    Outrage oughta be quelled for the greater good. Shame some people wouldn't know the greater good even if it sat on their face and waved at them and said hello...

    Stupid humans...

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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    It was pretty crowded there like I said its hard to tell from that angle.



    Like I said I'd need more information it is not clear from your video unlike the other video where people are actually shouting the woman down its pretty damned clear. I try to vet information what do you do with yours?

    Healthcare reform sparks meeting mayhem | 10connects.com | Tampa, St. Petersburg, Clearwater

    Health Care Town Halls Turn Violent in Tampa and St. Louis - Political News - FOXNews.com


    SIEU assault:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w"]YouTube - Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - Raw Video (8/6/09)[/ame]


    Where are your threads on this?







    Again the union guys were just as wrong as the people trying to stifle debate. They should have had the cops take care of it if there was a problem. So before you say there was selective outrage now you're saying there's just not enough outrage.

    Selective, I have shown you evidence, and all you respond is in the generic, and dismissivly, yet, you start threads on specifics for the side you are supporting...



    Now you're doing the hokey pokey before it was selective now its just not enough outrage. I told you from the beginning after seeing the videos both sides are wrong. You seem to want me to throw the book at these guys. You won't admit that the shouters are wrong because they're on your side but then want me to condemn people who aren't even on my side. Which I did.

    This is a dishonest assesment of my poition, your selectivity is directly related to your lip service.





    I already told you it was wrong for people to be at the meeting who weren't from the district. Just as the people at the New Jersey town hall who were from New York shouldn't have been there either.

    Again, what aout the politician who brought them there. And what evidence do you have that people at the town hall were from NY?


    See you can't condem your side without saying "but but look at those evil conservative types!"

    It's transparent.





    In my whole thread my condemnation was about the people shouting down anyone who they thought disagreed with them even if they were on their side. I stated this multiple times to which you ignored it. The people in New Jersey were unhinged they shouted down people on their own side as well because they sounded intellectual. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this before it sinks in for you. My problem is them lurching at anyone they perceived to be their enemies without even thinking about it.

    You seem to be more concerned with "shouting" than you are with assault. Why?







    How would I be able to ask them if its not clear from the video who "assaulted him"? I can't see it in the video. Do you seem to know who they are?
    see above.





    Both were meant to intimidate I find them both wrong as opposed to you only finding fault with the union.


    This is a dishonest misrepresentation of my position. sorry.
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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Outrage oughta be quelled for the greater good. Shame some people wouldn't know the greater good even if it sat on their face and waved at them and said hello...

    Stupid humans...




    Yes, stupid humans who think others are thier keeper.



    Will you be doing violence or will you leave that to union thugs?
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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    Will you be doing violence or will you leave that to union thugs?
    And you talk about selective outrage? My, but yours is showing right now.

    Will "I" be doing violence? What in heck are you talking about?

    Has maturity really flown the coup? And all sense with it? What the heck are you on about?

    (Christ, I'm glad I live in Australia.)

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    Re: Finger bitten off during California health protest

    Nowhere in the article does it make clear other than both sides scuffled. In the fox article it said most of the protesters were against reform and scuffled with organizers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    SIEU assault:

    YouTube - Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - Raw Video (8/6/09)


    Where are your threads on this?
    There already was a thread on this. What would be the point of being redundant when there's a thread on the topic? From the video it is unclear that Gladney was even assaulted. It looks like he tripped and fell then got back up again walked it off. For a guy who was "repeatedly kicked in the head" he seems to have no head injuries.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Selective, I have shown you evidence, and all you respond is in the generic, and dismissivly, yet, you start threads on specifics for the side you are supporting...
    I never stated which side I was on Rev so you're being disengenuous. I never stated my opinions on health care so again you're being dishonest. I started a thread where I stated multiple times the protesters were shouting down people even on their own side. Each time I mention it you ignore it as if its not part of the equation. Selective reading on your part. I responded by condemning the intimidation. What you want me to say they should burn in hell? What are you looking for in terms of the appropriate amount of outrage?




    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is a dishonest assesment of my poition, your selectivity is directly related to your lip service.
    Its not dishonest thus far you've only condemned the unions but no mention about the protesters stifling debate, shutting down town halls, disrupting the democratic process. Where are all your threads on that? Again you're accussing me of things you're guilty of.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Again, what aout the politician who brought them there. And what evidence do you have that people at the town hall were from NY?
    The interview from the woman who got shouted down saying she talked to people before hand and they said they were from NY. What about the politician I already said it was wrong of him to do that. How about Dick Armey's group spreading disinformation and helping fund these protests? How do you feel about that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    See you can't condem your side without saying "but but look at those evil conservative types!"
    I don't have a side Rev again you keep trying to attribute a position to me that I have not taken. I condemned both sides something you won't, or are afraid to do but all the while accussing me of something you're guilty of. Give it up Rev this pinning of stuff on me isn't working I'm not a partisan hack I'm not beholden to any party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It's transparent.
    Yes what you are doing is clearly transparent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You seem to be more concerned with "shouting" than you are with assault. Why?
    There's no proof of assault from your videos and from the articles it is unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is a dishonest misrepresentation of my position. sorry.
    Nothing dishonest about it. No condemnation of people stifling debate

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