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Conservatives want serious health debate

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NYT: Conservatives want serious health debate - The New York Times- msnbc.com

Far from embracing the attacks, many leading conservative health care policy experts said in recent interviews that the dynamic was precluding a more robust real-world debate while making it nearly impossible for them to inject their studied, free-market solutions into the discussions.

i would welcome rational debate about healthcare reform, as opposed to the irrational insanity that's occuring now.
 
NYT: Conservatives want serious health debate - The New York Times- msnbc.com

Far from embracing the attacks, many leading conservative health care policy experts said in recent interviews that the dynamic was precluding a more robust real-world debate while making it nearly impossible for them to inject their studied, free-market solutions into the discussions.

i would welcome rational debate about healthcare reform, as opposed to the irrational insanity that's occuring now.
Had the libs stayed clear of the public option, this never would have happened.
 
Why do libs need the Conservatives? They have the votes. This scapegoating is fooling no one.
 
there is no real reform without the public option.

And there's the rub. There is plenty of potential real reform without the public option. There's even some liberal forms of reform without the public option. But the liberal base will not give that up. But somehow they're to be put on a pedestal and praised for their stubborness while conservatives are to be disdained and insulted for theirs.

But Rev hit the nail on the head.

Drop the Public option and you'll get the republicans on board and able to get through many of the other liberal reforms. Want to keep the Public Options? Fine, but pass it on your own because they republicans aren't voting for something diametrically opposed to their core principles in an extremely large way.
 
insurance companies need competition. anything less is a bandaid, imo.
 
Why do libs need the Conservatives? They have the votes. This scapegoating is fooling no one.
they have the possibility of the votes, they don't HAVE the votes. i'm not scapegoating. i believe we've wasted an opportunity to make needed changes because of the misinformation that too many people in this country believe, courtesy of those who want to maintain the status quo.

politicians are politicians first and foremost, and their main concern is staying in office.
 
insurance companies need competition. anything less is a bandaid, imo.
Then go on a busting spree on those evil insurance companies. I would support that. Problem solved. :cool:
 
a public option creates needed competition, thus driving prices down.
 
politicians are politicians first and foremost, and their main concern is staying in office.
Then why the hell do you trust them with your health care?!?!
 
there is no real reform without the public option.

It wouldn't be a government handout to the Welfare Class without the public option and that's the only reason for the so called reform, anyway.
 
a public option creates needed competition, thus driving prices down.
Yea, that's a smart idea, let the government run it's own insurance company, yea.

This is not about competition is it? If it was, then there would be no point to go nuclear and you should be satisfied with busting monopolisitc insurance companies.
 
Then go on a busting spree on those evil insurance companies. I would support that. Problem solved. :cool:
a company can't be evil, only those running the company can be evil. i'm wondering why a conservative would be worried about competition?
 
It wouldn't be a government handout to the Welfare Class without the public option and that's the only reason for the so called reform, anyway.
i'm sorry, who says the gov't option is free?
 
It wouldn't be a government handout to the Welfare Class without the public option and that's the only reason for the so called reform, anyway.
The reason they need reform is so that they can have something to demand from the government. Trust me, Government Healthcare isn't going to be enough for the libs. After they win that, they will demand something else more expansive.
 
a company can't be evil, only those running the company can be evil.
and that changes the meaning...why? :roll:
i'm wondering why a conservative would be worried about competition?
Because competition is good for the markets. Bust the companies into tiny ones and prices will fall, all out of the principals of economics. And it's laizzes faire too. :)
 
i'm sorry, who says the gov't option is free?

Oh, it's going to be free for the welfare class. You can bet on that. You don't actually believe that the government is going to suddenly start charging people for health care that have been getting everything for free for three generations, do you? All thos illegal aliens aren't going to be stuck with a bill when they go to American hospitals.
 
a company can't be evil, only those running the company can be evil. i'm wondering why a conservative would be worried about competition?

Because the government shouldn't be in "competition" with private industry in a production or service industry.

Microsoft needed "competition" as well in the 90's. Was the government supposed to set up a software shop? The potential need for "competition" in a market does not mean that the answer should be the GOVERNMENT becoming the competitor with the TAX PAYERS being the people funding said competition.
 
The reason they need reform is so that they can have something to demand from the government. Trust me, Government Healthcare isn't going to be enough for the libs. After they win that, they will demand something else more expansive.

You're right, this is only the beginning.
 
they have the possibility of the votes, they don't HAVE the votes. i'm not scapegoating. i believe we've wasted an opportunity to make needed changes because of the misinformation that too many people in this country believe, courtesy of those who want to maintain the status quo.

politicians are politicians first and foremost, and their main concern is staying in office.




We, the American people do not want a public option, which is why you democrats wont vote for it. :lol:


not the republicans fault, sorry.
 
How true! Sure, there are are small measures that could be taken but they are "band-aids" in comparison to the public option.

The public option if enacted would lead big cost savings down the road. The Government could leverage their buying power to extract concessions from drug companies and medical providers. Administrative costs are lower. It puts pressure on insurance companies to compete.

It's simple really. There are five players in this game. The patient, the medical provider, the drug company, the insurance company, and the tax payer.

The public option puts pressure on the insurance company, the medical providers and the insurance companies to obtain real cost savings.

Band-aids do none of this...Only a right wing lemming would oppose the public option.
 
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it doesn't change the meaning, my point was that i don't believe insurance companies are evil.



i agree, competition is good for the markets. a public option is competition as well. your idea might work too, but who is seriously proposing that?
 
i agree, competition is good for the markets. a public option is competition as well. your idea might work too, but who is seriously proposing that?
Rep. Louie Gohmert, I believe.
 
we need reform. most people agree on that. who else will bring about that reform?
 
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