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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    we need reform. most people agree on that. who else will bring about that reform?
    Preferbly, the state governments. But it's the type of reform that bothers me most though. Reform is good, but not government-healthcare.

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Rep. Louie Gohmert, I believe.
    thanks, i didn't know that. i'll google it.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you mean the american people who are on medicare? those people, who are against a public option?

    most americans are NOT INFORMED on this issue. if they were, reform would be in the bag.
    Right now you see the drug companies and the insurance companies paying out Millions to oppose the public option.

    You would think that might give the right wing lemmings pause to think?

    Why am I on the side of the drug companies and insurance companies with respect to the public option?

    [ But this just gets back to my old point. These people in general have low IQ's and don't have the mental sophistication to vote in their own self interest.]
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Right now you see the drug companies and the insurance companies paying out Millions to oppose the public option.

    You would think that might give the right wing lemmings pause to think?

    Why am I on the side of the drug companies and insurance companies with respect to the public option?

    [ But this just gets back to my old point. These people in general have low IQ's and don't have the mental sophistication to vote in their own self interest.]
    logic isn't a part of this debate, it seems.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    logic isn't a part of this debate, it seems.




    hmm when you two are done *********** each other, perhaps you both can attempt an actual conversation.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Hmm are you going to offer an anecdotal as evidence of "most Americans" Thats a non starter.





    I am very informed, I am against it. liberal elitism is an ugly thing, We disagree with you, because we believe in Freedom. not forced healthcare at others expense.
    you're right, it's my opinion. i fail to see how a public option infringes upon YOUR freedom.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Preferbly, the state governments. But it's the type of reform that bothers me most though. Reform is good, but not government-healthcare.
    why not? what's your issue with a public option?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why not? what's your issue with a public option?
    Public option, private option. The system can be reformed to be less costly. That's the ticket--along with health promotion services. That would save a lot of money.

    I don't care whether it's private or public as long as it's some form of universal coverage that brings down the overall cost.

    There are systems in the country that work to do that. We need to study them and pick the best one.

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it already is free for the "welfare class". and there is a provision in the bill that deals with illegals. keep in mind it's not a finished product.
    Hospitals are going to just turn people away? Yeah, right.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Had the libs stayed clear of the public option, this never would have happened.
    You have got to be kidding me. You honestly think that liberals proposing a public health insurance option excuses offensive lies, demagoguery, and hate mongering on the right?

    I guess your right, had the liberals not proposed a public insurance option:

    Sarah Palin would not have shamelessly whored out her special needs son claiming that the Democrats would establish death panels and thus would have killed him.

    Limbaugh and other talk radio narcissists would not be making the offensive and absurd comparisons between what the Democrats are proposing in their health care bills and National Socialism, thus prompting their nut job listeners to hit the town halls accusing Democrats, even Jewish ones, of "supporting Nazi Policies".

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8"]YouTube - Barney Frank Confronts Woman At Townhall Comparing Obama To Hitler[/ame]

    We would not have the RNC sending out "surveys" implying that the Democratic Plans would identify Republicans by their voter registration and thus deny care to them.

    The Washington Independent Obtained: The RNC’s Health Care Survey

    We would not have hypocrites on Medicare in town halls screaming "We don't want socialized medicine, keep your damn government out of my Medicare!"

    We would not have ignorant hate mongering piles of sh*t in town halls shouting down disabled people in wheel chairs when they try to speak.

    Wheelchair-Bound Woman Shouted Down At New Jersey Health Care Town Hall (VIDEO)

    Even if the Public Option is ultimately a bad idea, a bad idea did not create this. This is the result of years of hate mongering, culture war demagoguery, and watering of the crazy tree on the part of the radical right. They have watered the crazy tree for so long that now they can't even control it enough to have a rational debate even if they want to. Go ahead and excuse it though if you really want to align yourself with people that accuse those that disagree with them as being Nazis and shout down the disabled.
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