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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont see rates for 1oz letters.
    That's because FedEx and similar companies have a "base rate" at 1 lb for anything under.

    Doesn't matter if its 1 ounce or 1 pound you pay the same.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Zyph is 100% correct here; and in addition, the Government will write the rules making the profit potential for private insurance nearly impossible by requiring them to provide coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions and mandating that they cannot charge varying rates for those with different ages and pre-existing conditions. The Government will also increase the penalties and taxes on Insurance companies who fail to comply with these new regulations.

    The Government writes the rules, and does not have to worry about making enough money to cover its costs because it can TAX more.

    The notion that we need a "Government" option to provide necessary competition to drive down costs is beyond uninformed; it borders on willful ignorance.

    The Government wouldn't have to worry about "making enough money to cover its costs" because it won't have to pay the multi-million dollar salaries of the fat-cat CEO's that profit off the health of Americans under the insurance corporation "for profit" system.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    How true! Sure, there are are small measures that could be taken but they are "band-aids" in comparison to the public option.

    The public option if enacted would lead big cost savings down the road. The Government could leverage their buying power to extract concessions from drug companies and medical providers. Administrative costs are lower. It puts pressure on insurance companies to compete.

    It's simple really. There are five players in this game. The patient, the medical provider, the drug company, the insurance company, and the tax payer.

    The public option puts pressure on the insurance company, the medical providers and the insurance companies to obtain real cost savings.

    Band-aids do none of this...Only a right wing lemming would oppose the public option.
    So in other words according to Liberals, there can be no open honest debate because the line in the sand has been drawn and the ONLY acceptable reform you will support is one with a public option; we’re done!

    With this type of discourse, there will only be one option for Democrats, to vote along straight party lines and hope they can pass it with their own members.

    I find the efforts by Democrats and Liberals to fear monger this issue and attack the integrity of their opponents with hyperbolic BS disingenuous.

    There is a reason Obama and Democrats in Congress want to demagogue their political opponents on this issue; they cannot get the votes within their own party so they paint Republicans with this asinine notion as the "party of NO" to cover their own members intransigence on the issue and Obama's possibly political ass kicking he will get by not passing this.

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's because FedEx and similar companies have a "base rate" at 1 lb for anything under. Doesn't matter if its 1 ounce or 1 pound you pay the same.
    Then your citation isn't valid as it doesnt compare apples to apples.

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So in other words according to Liberals, there can be no open honest debate because the line in the sand has been drawn and the ONLY acceptable reform you will support is one with a public option; we’re done!

    With this type of discourse, there will only be one option for Democrats, to vote along straight party lines and hope they can pass it with their own members.

    I find the efforts by Democrats and Liberals to fear monger this issue and attack the integrity of their opponents with hyperbolic BS disingenuous.

    There is a reason Obama and Democrats in Congress want to demagogue their political opponents on this issue; they cannot get the votes within their own party so they paint Republicans with this asinine notion as the "party of NO" to cover their own members intransigence on the issue and Obama's possibly political ass kicking he will get by not passing this.
    The "Party of No" has already clearly shown that they are not willing to negotiate in good faith, so Obama should look them in the eye and say "Screw Em". Democrats need to grow a spine and get to work doing what they were elected to do. There is absolutely no difference between a Congress/President with Republicans in charge and a Congress/President with Democrats that are too wimpy to use the power they have. If the Democrats can't get this done, then they are just as bad as the Republicans and are worth about the same.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then your citation isn't valid as it doesnt compare apples to apples.
    No...its clearly valid. If the Post Office didn't exist, we would be paying over $5.00 a letter to be delivered in 4 days across the country because that's how FedEx and the other companies operate.

    Hmmmmm.....kinda like insurance companies.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Government wouldn't have to worry about "making enough money to cover its costs" because it won't have to pay the multi-million dollar salaries of the fat-cat CEO's that profit off the health of Americans under the insurance corporation "for profit" system.
    Once again you would be wrong; but at least you are consistent. The Governments costs will super exceed those of those big bad “fatcat” CEOs you want to demagogue with your uninformed class envy hyperbole.

    The notion that "profiting" is a bad idea can only be spewed by an ideology that operates in a vacuum of historic proportions. It is that profit motive combined with open legal competition that keeps costs down. No Government intervention in the economy and/or program in the history of man has ever been credibly shown to keep costs down.

    You might want to read some of Walter Williams, a renowned black Economics Professor, history of the original lies spewed by Government when the Medicare program was first introduced and the cost estimates they claimed and who they claimed would be paying 100% of its cost.

    Health care broken? Who broke it? | health, care, insurance, broken, politicians - Opinion - OCRegister.com

    Walter Williams: Careful what you wish for on health care - Opinion - OCRegister.com

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The "Party of No" has already clearly shown that they are not willing to negotiate in good faith, so Obama should look them in the eye and say "Screw Em". Democrats need to grow a spine and get to work doing what they were elected to do. There is absolutely no difference between a Congress/President with Republicans in charge and a Congress/President with Democrats that are too wimpy to use the power they have. If the Democrats can't get this done, then they are just as bad as the Republicans and are worth about the same.
    How laughable; your notions of "good faith" basically equate to this; if you don't agree that we MUST have a "public" option, then you are not debating in good faith.

    But alas, people with a modicum of intelligence see through this hyperbolic nonsense.

    Demagogueing your political opponents as the "party of no" illustrates the vast sea of irony Liberals like you wallow in.

    I do agree with you on this statement however; Obama should look them in the eye and say "Screw Em".

    Unfortunately, Obama lacks the courage necessary to be honest and do this.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...its clearly valid. If the Post Office didn't exist, we would be paying over $5.00 a letter to be delivered in 4 days across the country because that's how FedEx and the other companies operate.

    Hmmmmm.....kinda like insurance companies.
    This is nothing more than pure hyperbolic speculation. But again, honest and open debate is nothing something you and many Liberals wish to engage in. Your idea of debate is for your opponents to just shut up and agree with you.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...its clearly valid.
    Only if you assime - which you do - that FedEx, etc, will charge their 1lb package rate for 1oz first-class letters.
    Support that assumption.

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