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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Had the libs stayed clear of the public option, this never would have happened.
    the conservatives would just find something else to complain about....

    the biggest fear of the GOP leadership is that Obama and his "gang" will actually accomplish what the GOP never even tried to do, even though the public has been wanting it for a long time...
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Conservatives should push for a serious health care debate. The libs want to wreck the health care industry and control people with their bill. Look at the stimulus bill that passed and failed. All it would do is hurt the country. I enjoy how Obama calls people immoral if they oppose his bill and state to Christians that we should support it blindly because Jesus would (in Obama's opinion).

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    We, the American people do not want a public option, which is why you democrats wont vote for it.


    not the republicans fault, sorry.
    The American people's majority spoke against civil rights in 1957, 1960, and 1964. If the American people had voted on civil rights, such laws would NOT have been passed.

    Health care is very similar to those equal rights matters. Of course MOST people like it the way it is. But for those who can't have the same power, (as in, ability to afford quality health insurance) someone needs to look out for them.

    Please tell me you're for the federal government dictating to the private insurance sector who they have to cover and at what prices. That is the only alternative to UHC. If you are not up for such an idea, then, quite frankly, no rational debate can occur.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    We, the American people do not want a public option, which is why you democrats wont vote for it.


    not the republicans fault, sorry.
    Actually the American public strongly favored a public option until the right-wing distortion machine went into full cycle.

    One thing I have to hand it to the right-wing for though....they do understand that there is a fairly large segment of the American public that will believe anything if you say it enough. The Democrats have done a lousy job confronting the lies and distortions and as a result, they have lost that section of the public that now have bought into the lies.

    What the Democrats need to do is grow a spine and pass the public option. Once this 15% or so of the population sees that the right-wing scare tactics were nothing more than distortions and propoganda they will come around.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    The American people's majority spoke against civil rights in 1957, 1960, and 1964. If the American people had voted on civil rights, such laws would NOT have been passed.

    Right, because most americans happen to be happy with the coverage they had, means they hate black people.


    Health care is very similar to those equal rights matters. Of course MOST people like it the way it is. But for those who can't have the same power, (as in, ability to afford quality health insurance) someone needs to look out for them.

    Wrong.



    Please tell me you're for the federal government dictating to the private insurance sector who they have to cover and at what prices. That is the only alternative to UHC. If you are not up for such an idea, then, quite frankly, no rational debate can occur.

    Nope. That's not what I am for....
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually the American public strongly favored a public option until the right-wing distortion machine went into full cycle.
    This is incorrect.

    One thing I have to hand it to the right-wing for though....they do understand that there is a fairly large segment of the American public that will believe anything if you say it enough. The Democrats have done a lousy job confronting the lies and distortions and as a result, they have lost that section of the public that now have bought into the lies.
    Sounds like sour grapes or loser talk.


    What the Democrats need to do is grow a spine and pass the public option. Once this 15% or so of the population sees that the right-wing scare tactics were nothing more than distortions and propoganda they will come around.


    Then watch as many lose thier seats.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is incorrect.



    Sounds like sour grapes or loser talk.






    Then watch as many lose thier seats.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This is not a fair assesment of her statement. I will explain.



    Erod's reference was that of government being able to effectively lower the price of health care, and that the private sector cannot "control" costs vs. a government plan. A tragic contradiction in the face of market's ability to create efficiency with in a plethora of economic sectors.

    The major contributors (leaving out malpractice issues/liability) to rising health care costs are obesity, tobacco use, and emergency room care being used by those who cannot afford/choose not to purchase private health care. Legally, at least in California, employer's are not allowed to strengthen their risk pool by charging obese people, smokers, or god forbid obese smokers more for their contribution to the HMO pool. Because of the nature of risk pools, it forces increases in contribution from the entire lot. Therefore prices are on the rise.

    What the government option can provide is for people with pre-existing conditions, obesity issues, tobacco use, etc... to be moved off of private insurance pools, thereby reducing the aggregate liability. Of course, legislation would have to be enacted that would allow employers to cut off high risk employees from their lot, forcing them to either reduce their lifestyle choices to fit the mold, or become one with the government lot.

    Combine this with the elimination of the court systems subsidy of ambulance chasers/malpractice lawyers and true health care reform can persist.

    Medicare is needed for the same reasons. The elderly are just far to risky to insure in an affordable manner. What would be the point of saving for retirement if 75% of your entire health care costs are going to be utilized during your last year of life? My mother can be considered wealthy, but if her pre existing condition were to truly surface, she would be paying around $750,000 per year (according to her physician) and is forced to pay around $30,000/year for private insurance that only covers 70% of her total medical cost. Anecdotal i know, but it does explain the severity of the health care situation.
    That is probably the best post on the health care debate I have ever read on this forum.
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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you want healthcare at the quality of the post office?
    the postal service does a terrific job at an extremely low cost.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Conservatives want serious health debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the postal service does a terrific job at an extremely low cost.
    Yeah, I can't figure out what some people have against the post office. Its hurting for money because the need for the service is slowly dying, not because its done a bad job.
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