Last edited by Wessexman; 09-03-09 at 09:54 PM.
"It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke
Unfortunately this thread was started on an idiotic premise and therefore it does no one any good to continue to debate over it.
Doctors make mistakes in small cases? Holy ****, really? I thought the NHS delegated its angelic power of healing to these doctors to make them completely omniscient. Christ, guys, was I ever wrong.
I honestly think there's a about 0.1% of Britain that want to abolish the NHS. It's one of our national achievments.
What you and other socialized medicine advocates do is rather like car salesmen who advertise to sell vehicles 'interest free.' It's a gimmick that sounds great on its face. Of course when we read the fine print we realize that we'll be paying more under the 'interest free' program. Similarly, there's no such thing as 'no cost' health care. Yet you'll continue to spread that line proudly, then cover yourself with your 'fine print' explanations later.Originally Posted by kaya
And yet we pay less than the American private system for better healthcare. Lord Mighty it's a miracle!
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
Pathetic squabble. Simply speaking, you accuse us of saying its free and so on so fourth while this is far from the truth; its a fact that the costs will be covered by tax money, at the benefit of you recieving as much healthcare as required without all the bills and the interest, with more job opportunities for the country and healthcare for all classes of the nation. You said earlier on that its a common misconception that people believe this service to be "free" and we trick people into thinking that. Please provide proof of this assertion, also research more about the huge positive impact of socialized medicine here in the UK, and TRY and find something other than the error i made in the previous post about their being no costs where i corrected myself afterwards as seen above.What you and other socialized medicine advocates do is rather like car salesmen who advertise to sell vehicles 'interest free.' It's a gimmick that sounds great on its face. Of course when we read the fine print we realize that we'll be paying more under the 'interest free' program.
If you cannot see the fact that a reasonable addition of taxes to be payed inorder to access a healthcare system whereby you may recieve sufficient healthcare at the benefit of there being no huge hospital bills and interest to pay back, as well as, through Obama's nationalization of the healthcare system open the doors to healthcare for all the classes of the country to enjoy, as they rightfully should, then im sorry you cannot see that. But the one thing that gets to me is Americans finding everything and anything they can to use against our own system as a terror tactic for Obama's plans. You know, the only people unsatisfied with the NHS seems to be those who have never lived in the UK.
Havent i already made you aware of this error? Is this all you got? Really?Similarly, there's no such thing as 'no cost' health care. Yet you'll continue to spread that line proudly, then cover yourself with your 'fine print' explanations later.
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Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.
As a result the scheme is causing a “national crisis” in patient care, the letter states. It has been signed palliative care experts including Professor Peter Millard, Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics, University of London, Dr Peter Hargreaves, a consultant in Palliative Medicine at St Luke’s cancer centre in Guildford, and four others.
“Forecasting death is an inexact science,”they say. Patients are being diagnosed as being close to death “without regard to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.
“As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to patients."
The warning comes just a week after a report by the Patients Association estimated that up to one million patients had received poor or cruel care on the NHS.
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However, I had heard nothing about this 'growing discontent' till I found this post so I decided to have a further look.
It appears that what you are making a fuss about is a letter sent to the Telegraph. By some Drs yes, but by a large section of Drs in this country, it would appear not.
Creation therefore I think makes a valid point.
Medics warn of 'national discontent' over care of terminally ill patients | News | Nursing Times‘As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to patients.’
However, a spokeswoman for Marie Curie said: ‘The letter talks about death being an inexact science and that is absolutely right. The Liverpool Care Pathway is not about ticking boxes, all decisions are made by a multi-disciplinary team so they’re constantly reviewed and any decisions are made by a range of experts in palliative care.’
If there is genuinely a problem, it will be sorted but I would not make such a fuss over one letter sent to a Tabloid newspaper.
The article also pointed out that most nobel prize winners are from, or reside in, the US.
One of the conclusions he drew was that Americans spend more on health care, in part, due to the much larger amount we spend on medical R&D and for the "best" medical professionals.
Anyway, once a lot of the profit motivation is removed from the medical industry, at least if you beleive that article, we will see less medical innovation, which will greatly hurt the world over time (due to loss of medical innovations going forward).
BTW, the "Better healthcare" comment is not as cut and dry as you might like to believe.
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