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    Re: China invests in Canada oil sands

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Ok, lets talk about the "lesser of two evils"...

    vs this

    What is your life worth?

    BTW... I drive the one on the right, and feel very safe around 18 wheelers... how do you feel in your Pirus?
    I don't drive a Prius. I drive a Chevy Colorado z71 4wd crew cab. I drive it because there is hardly a weekend that goes by that we are not out fishing, backpacking, mountain biking and so on. So unlike many modern truck owners, I use mine for something other than driving paved roads.

    That said, I bear the costs of driving a vehicle that only gets 19 to 20 mpg on the highway. Its a choice I made and I don't want the government subsidizing an oil company just to make it easier for me. You see in a market economy there are trade offs like that. If you want to drive a truck, then the trade off is that you will spend much more on gas than someone that drives a prius. If you want to drive a prius, then the trade off is that you can't take it off road or haul as much of your crap around in it. There is not some enviro conspiracy that is leading to high gas prices. The oil industry spends nearly a hundred dollars lobbying congress for every dollar the Sierra Club spends. The oil industry pretty much gets it way. The problem is that we live in a world of peaking production and increasing demand and you can subsidize all the raping of the environment that you want its not going to change that.
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    Re: China invests in Canada oil sands

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't drive a Prius. I drive a Chevy Colorado z71 4wd crew cab. I drive it because there is hardly a weekend that goes by that we are not out fishing, backpacking, mountain biking and so on. So unlike many modern truck owners, I use mine for something other than driving paved roads.

    That said, I bear the costs of driving a vehicle that only gets 19 to 20 mpg on the highway. Its a choice I made and I don't want the government subsidizing an oil company just to make it easier for me. You see in a market economy there are trade offs like that. If you want to drive a truck, then the trade off is that you will spend much more on gas than someone that drives a prius. If you want to drive a prius, then the trade off is that you can't take it off road or haul as much of your crap around in it. There is not some enviro conspiracy that is leading to high gas prices. The oil industry spends nearly a hundred dollars lobbying congress for every dollar the Sierra Club spends. The oil industry pretty much gets it way. The problem is that we live in a world of peaking production and increasing demand and you can subsidize all the raping of the environment that you want its not going to change that.
    I guess you took my post personally... it wasn't meant that way. My point was how dangerous these mini-cars are... I've been in one and did not like looking up at the top of the tire on that 18 wheeler. I drove truck for 15 years, and know what they do to mid size cars when they run over them.

    Now think Pirus, go stomp on a beer can, and get back to me.

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    Re: China invests in Canada oil sands

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I guess you took my post personally... it wasn't meant that way. My point was how dangerous these mini-cars are... I've been in one and did not like looking up at the top of the tire on that 18 wheeler. I drove truck for 15 years, and know what they do to mid size cars when they run over them.

    Now think Pirus, go stomp on a beer can, and get back to me.
    Of course the other side of that is that small car will stop in at least half the distance your truck will.
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    Re: China invests in Canada oil sands

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Of course the other side of that is that small car will stop in at least half the distance your truck will.
    And the other side of that is they better look behind themselves before hitting the brakes.... especially if they are tail gating a truck. (you do know that a loaded 18 wheeler can stop faster that any car can? (on flat ground))

    Which begs the question... if our Government is so dead set to have energy independence, why not drill, why not mine the oil sands, why not stream line the permit process for nuclear power plants? Could it be that the real agenda is Green?

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    Re: China invests in Canada oil sands

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Which begs the question... if our Government is so dead set to have energy independence, why not drill, why not mine the oil sands, why not stream line the permit process for nuclear power plants? Could it be that the real agenda is Green?
    They are already mining oil shale in North Dakota and Montana, they have been doing so for years. The problem is that its only profitable when oil prices are high. By far the biggest impediment to more drilling is not the government, its that many of the potential domestic oil fields that are left require very high oil prices for them to be economically recoverable. Sure, we need to open up ANWR (given sufficient environmental safeguards), but at most you are looking at only another 700,000 barrels a day which is only around 1% of daily worldwide oil consumption. We should allow states on the east coast to decide whether they want drilling off of their coasts, but again, you only looking at a few hundred thousand barrels of additional production a day, at most it would offset declining domestic production, not increase it. Our peak oil production in the United States was over 30 years ago, we are not going to drill our way to independence.

    As to refineries, oil companies shut them down themselves back in the 90s. It had nothing to do with the government. I am all for bringing more nuclear plants online, but you got to deal with the "not in my backyard" mentality there.
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    Re: China invests in Canada oil sands

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Oh ok, so you are cool with the government subsidizing profitable industries and telling them what to invest in.




    Yes I am.
    Holy ****! a democrat that is for the free market! Cmon, join the conservatives, you are welcome here

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