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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    The government will not be running our healthcare, we who have always ran your healthcare will be. Who are we ??? We are your friendly healthcare insurance companies. We are the only ones who are qualified to run healthcare. We know how to deny claims, to raise premiuns, to impose restrictions on which drugs we will pay for, which docs will be in the Networks that we set up for you in your zip code, we tell the docs how much we will reimburse them and for what and when we will do it. OOOPS I forgot the damn government Insurance Commisioners they suck !! They make us pay claims within 18 to 24 months from date of service !!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT ?

    The darn government is telling US, the private insurance companies that we have to pay you guys on time !!! That is SOCIALISTIC !!! It is not the government's business who we pay or how much. We the private insurance companies should have the right to decide whether we want to pay you, how much and when. We and we alone should decide if we want to insure you and for how long and we should be able to charge what the hell we want. No one should interfere !!!!
    Based on the above rant, it is painfully obvious that you know nothing of the topic of insurance.

    But let's look at the fallacy of such rants; (1) insurance companies minimize personal risk based on actuarial tables and pooling resources; (2) insurance companies are also heavily regulated and in many states, competition is minimized due to bad legislation; (3) insurance companies employ hundreds of thousands of Americans in good paying jobs; (4) insurance companies reinvest their profits to provide capital for development and construction projects; (5) insurance company profits are taxed which helps fund those Liberal programs that are so near and dear to you; (6) insurance companies reinvest in their local communities providing youth programs/sports and many other humanitarian endeavors as do their employees; (7) without insurance companies, the risk of a major catastrophic occurrence is born by the individual.

    There are many other points to this; but the main theme to demagogue the insurance companies with hyperbolic BS like you do doesn't serve anything to advance an honest intellectual debate as to the solutions to the high cost of healthcare.

    When your entire debate is a diatribe to turn your opponents into evil "things" to be despised, it is painfully obvious you are uninformed.

    I am not surprised that the White House and Liberal Democrats prefer to engage in this level of discourse where class envy is their primary argument; but it is a patently weak position and serves NOTHING to advance honest intellectual dialogue to seek a solution.

    When your only argument is that Insurance companies are greedy and evil, and only Government can provide cost effective healthcare, it is no wonder so many Americans are scratching their heads and chanting; "Kill the Bill!"

    It is transparent and even people who are less informed see through it.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    So you are making my point and think this supports your hyperbolic nonsensical effort to defend Obamanomics?

    Here, let me make it plainer for you:

    "Private employers cut 298,000 job positions last month"

    "360,000 job losses seen in July"

    Carry on.
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So you are making my point and think this supports your hyperbolic nonsensical effort to defend Obamanomics?

    Here, let me make it plainer for you:

    "Private employers cut 298,000 job positions last month"

    "360,000 job losses seen in July"

    Carry on.
    So losing fewer jobs is bad now? And increased production and orders for goods is not worth mentioning? Keep spinning away, but this is good news.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    FACTS:

    Deficit is estimated to be $1.6 trillion this year and over $11 trillion in the next decade.

    Jobs shed since December 2008: 4.5 Million

    Unemployment rate in December 2008: 7.1%

    Unemployment rate July 2009: 9.7%

    Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

    GDP: Down 6.4%
    News Release: Gross Domestic Product

    I am sorry; I don't see how anyone can argue that Cash for Clunkers has done ANYTHING to make this dire economic situation better.

    As a matter of fact, I am at a loss how anyone can think this will do anything when this program amounts to taking money from one group and giving it to another group (still unidentified so we are printing/borrowing to pay for it).
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    FACTS:

    Deficit is estimated to be $1.6 trillion this year and over $11 trillion in the next decade.

    Jobs shed since December 2008: 4.5 Million

    Unemployment rate in December 2008: 7.1%

    Unemployment rate July 2009: 9.7%

    Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

    GDP: Down 6.4%
    News Release: Gross Domestic Product

    I am sorry; I don't see how anyone can argue that Cash for Clunkers has done ANYTHING to make this dire economic situation batter.

    As a matter of fact, I am at a loss how anyone can think this will do anything when this program amounts to taking money from one group and giving it to another group (still unidentified so we are printing/borrowing to pay for it).
    FACTS:

    That all was mostly inevitable coming into the year.

    Things improving, while bad for you, is good for the country.

    Nothing you said disproved what I said.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant Stinger1 View Post
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    Let me EDGIMATKATE YOU.
    A bill for healthcare will be passed and it will be passed with Repubs aproval.

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    Did the one that RUINED MY Country bush run this Country better???
    **** NO!!!
    Hes the one that created the mess that we are in now!
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    Just another that the Sergeant has shed the truth on!!!!
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    BTW: Do you have a job???
    Let's square several things away here.

    First, I have absolutely NO problem with healthcare reform, zip, zero, nada. The system as it exists is far from ideal, BUT the proposed changes are NOT the way to fix things.

    Second, why bring the former administration in to this? CARS was not their program, neither is the current attempt for healthcare reform. I'll clue you in, I disagreed just as much with many of Bush's policies as I do with the current administration. No Bush worship here.

    Regardless of WHO created the mess, the current government is not even close to taking steps to correct ANYTHING.


    ...and yes, I have a job.

    Now excuse me while I go wash that "truth" off that you shed on me.
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So losing fewer jobs is bad now? And increased production and orders for goods is not worth mentioning? Keep spinning away, but this is good news.
    I don't know how anyone can argue that “cash for clunkers” allowed us to lose "fewer" jobs or that it is a good thing when the number of jobs lost every single month is in the hundreds of thousands. I find that argument stunning. What do you think happens now that the program has ended? Do you honestly think that consumers will continue buying cars? REALLY?

    Increased production is meaningless when unemployment keeps skyrocketing, consumers keep hording money and GDP is in the negative 6.4% range.

    I am stunned that you are still desperately arguing that programs like this are helping. Tell me something; who do you think is going to pay for the billions being doled out to people to buy cars; where do you think this money, will come from.

    Here's another more pertinent question you and others desperately defending the rabid stupidity of this administration need to answer; who do you think is going to pay for this $10 to $11 trillion deficit and what will be the economic impact?

    If you think that YOU and every single American in this country will be unaffected and that it will not have a profound impact on the future economic health of this nation, then you are wallowing in an amazing level willful denial.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    FACTS:

    That all was mostly inevitable coming into the year.

    Things improving, while bad for you, is good for the country.

    Nothing you said disproved what I said.
    More hyperbolic nonsense; everything I posted disputes your silly and desperate argument that "cars for clunkers" and similar Government boondoggles are making the difference while actually doing little or NOTHING to sustain employment.

    You conveniently ignore the FACTS I posted in order to continue to make yourself look foolish. Answer any of my questions with a modicum of integrity and honesty and the OBVIOUS will become readily apparent to you.

    Until then, by all means continue your silly hyperbolic tirades about how I want what is bad for the country while you, supporting the very programs sinking this country, think losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month while sinking future generations in trillions of debt is somehow good news.


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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Based on the above rant, it is painfully obvious that you know nothing of the topic of insurance.

    But let's look at the fallacy of such rants; (1) insurance companies minimize personal risk based on actuarial tables and pooling resources; (2) insurance companies are also heavily regulated and in many states, competition is minimized due to bad legislation; (3) insurance companies employ hundreds of thousands of Americans in good paying jobs; (4) insurance companies reinvest their profits to provide capital for development and construction projects; (5) insurance company profits are taxed which helps fund those Liberal programs that are so near and dear to you; (6) insurance companies reinvest in their local communities providing youth programs/sports and many other humanitarian endeavors as do their employees; (7) without insurance companies, the risk of a major catastrophic occurrence is born by the individual.

    There are many other points to this; but the main theme to demagogue the insurance companies with hyperbolic BS like you do doesn't serve anything to advance an honest intellectual debate as to the solutions to the high cost of healthcare.

    When your entire debate is a diatribe to turn your opponents into evil "things" to be despised, it is painfully obvious you are uninformed.

    I am not surprised that the White House and Liberal Democrats prefer to engage in this level of discourse where class envy is their primary argument; but it is a patently weak position and serves NOTHING to advance honest intellectual dialogue to seek a solution.

    When your only argument is that Insurance companies are greedy and evil, and only Government can provide cost effective healthcare, it is no wonder so many Americans are scratching their heads and chanting; "Kill the Bill!"

    It is transparent and even people who are less informed see through it.
    WAFJYA - I forgot more about insurance in an afternoon than you will obviously ever know. I won't even bother to tell you what my credentials are in the insurance industry becasue I seriously doubt that you would comprehend them. You also show a total lack of humor.

    Why don't you try to dispute the opinion that I wrote with either your own or with some facts if you can find any instead of resorting to childish personal attacks such as attempting with feable and futile means to dimish what I wrote.
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Based on the above rant, it is painfully obvious that you know nothing of the topic of insurance.

    But let's look at the fallacy of such rants; (1) insurance companies minimize personal risk based on actuarial tables and pooling resources; (2) insurance companies are also heavily regulated and in many states, competition is minimized due to bad legislation; (3) insurance companies employ hundreds of thousands of Americans in good paying jobs; (4) insurance companies reinvest their profits to provide capital for development and construction projects; (5) insurance company profits are taxed which helps fund those Liberal programs that are so near and dear to you; (6) insurance companies reinvest in their local communities providing youth programs/sports and many other humanitarian endeavors as do their employees; (7) without insurance companies, the risk of a major catastrophic occurrence is born by the individual.

    There are many other points to this; but the main theme to demagogue the insurance companies with hyperbolic BS like you do doesn't serve anything to advance an honest intellectual debate as to the solutions to the high cost of healthcare.

    When your entire debate is a diatribe to turn your opponents into evil "things" to be despised, it is painfully obvious you are uninformed.

    I am not surprised that the White House and Liberal Democrats prefer to engage in this level of discourse where class envy is their primary argument; but it is a patently weak position and serves NOTHING to advance honest intellectual dialogue to seek a solution.

    When your only argument is that Insurance companies are greedy and evil, and only Government can provide cost effective healthcare, it is no wonder so many Americans are scratching their heads and chanting; "Kill the Bill!"

    It is transparent and even people who are less informed see through it.
    Instead of playing the personal insult game booppie why don'y you learn what insurance is. It is spreading the risk of financial loss among a large group of people or entities hense reducing a loss any one participant of that group. WOW almost like SOCIALISM !!1 LOL
    Therefore if you me Red, Joe 1991 , etc are part of a group of people who have insured our homes ( as an example ) with a given insurance company and one of us suffers a loss that person gets reimbursed for the loss from the pool of resources which all of us had contributed. The risk of loss for any one of us has been spread among all of us therefore one of us alone does not suffer the entire loss. Hense we would have "spread the risk". The use of acturaila tables are just some tools that we use in order to facilitate the process of spreading the risk and hopfully predicting the freequency and severity of losses.

    It is true that we a shckled by the regulations od fifty staes, one district and some territories. The sad part is that we do not have real universal regulations among the states.

    Yet theye are regulations regarding the levels of reserves that we need to maintain in order that we are in position to pay out when a loss occurs so that we can continue to "spread the risk". This form of regulation is actually for the good for you the policy holder to insure that when and if the time comes we will have the necessary financial resources to pay you.

    We are also not stupid us insurance companies since we spread the risk among ourselves through various reinsurance arrangements so that we do not suffer fatal blows from any one event such a Katrina or Andrew.

    From the health side I was not joking when I sad that we us the insurance companies are in position to administer any form of insurance which a government may impose. We can and we are already administeing government insurance such a MEDICARE, TRICARE ( MILITARY AND MILITARY RETIREES AND FAMILIES). No we don't want to lose the premium dollors and reserve and investment dollors that we can obtain from running the private insurance segment but if worse come to worse we are ready !!! We will do this just as we do it for the big boys who self insure their employees. We administaer their plan at a fee of course.

    Listen do you actually think that the government came up with cost containment, or ,manged care, or case management, or drug formularies. no we did. Do you think the government came up with networks of providers ? No we did.

    Why did we do this ? Because your company which is the plan sponsor asked us to reduce the premium cost that they had to pay for us to provide you coverage.

    So before you go off and mouth off again about someone not knowning insurance you better think twice !!! And furthermore you are he one who jumped on the partisan wagon and ASSumed partisanship on my part. How foolish are you now!!
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