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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is all speculation TD. We can play the game of is it Obama's fault this job was lost, or does he get credit for this job gain all day, and we will never agree. The fact is though that CARS is putting people to work. Whether it costs others jobs, that is another issue, though I doubt it will be as many as gained by a large margin.
    No, you are speculating about a stupid program that has done NOTHING to move the economy by making the ridiculous claim that if not for the confiscation of tax payers money to give to other tax payers, in other taking from one group and giving to another, the MIGHT have been even greater job losses in an industry that has shed hundreds of thousands of jobs since Obama was in office.

    I am merely reiterating the plain FACTS: we have shed 6,000,000 jobs since the beginning of the year and continue shedding them at the pace of several hundred thousand a month. I don't know how anyone can think that this program, the stimulus program or anything else this administration has lied to the American people about has been a good thing.

    You want to see REAL bad? Wait until these morons are finally honest about the taxes they will have to raise from EVERY ONE of us to pay for all this stupidity. Then you will REALLY see the economy tank even more.

    The ONLY reason they refuse to talk about it right now is that they know they are going to lose seats in Congress and if they were to be honest about the taxes to be raised would lose vast margins more. They are going to try to avoid talking about this subject until after the mid terms; because after all, they are Democrats and don't give a rats butt about honesty or the American people, they just care about keeping the political power they held for six decades except for the brief time Republicans had it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would point out that no one has said a "mere 1,000 jobs" have been gained by that. I pointed out that one company called back over 1,000 jobs at one time as a result of CARS. You could at least try to use the TRUTH.
    I know you only mentioned 1,000. But would it even matter if you said 3,000? How about we round it up to 5,000. Bottom line is this; the industry has shed hundreds of thousands of jobs and called back a few thousand; that's a hell of a great deal for spending several billions of tax payer money on; with returns like that, hell, after another three trillion we can claim we saved 200,000 jobs. Now about the 6,000,000 and hundreds of thousands being lost monthly, what say you to that? Is it a success or a factual indication that Obamanoimics are NOT working and certainly not working according to their campaign rhetoric?

    I truly wish I were wrong, because my business is heading way south and I just can't pretend that it is getting any better. It would be nice to actually see positive results; but there won't be any until the American voters vote these morons out who are destroying what little capital formation is left in this country.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I "Think",,,why would you ask me to lower myself to a Liberal's position? If by presenting the Facts, you chastise me,,,in your minds eye.

    Why would I gravitate downward toward the Liberal position?
    So you are saying only liberals think? I guess I would not want you to do anything as radical as thinking...

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

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    This is the government you want running your healthcare?
    The government will not be running our healthcare, we who have always ran your healthcare will be. Who are we ??? We are your friendly healthcare insurance companies. We are the only ones who are qualified to run healthcare. We know how to deny claims, to raise premiuns, to impose restrictions on which drugs we will pay for, which docs will be in the Networks that we set up for you in your zip code, we tell the docs how much we will reimburse them and for what and when we will do it. OOOPS I forgot the damn government Insurance Commisioners they suck !! They make us pay claims within 18 to 24 months from date of service !!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT ?

    The darn government is telling US, the private insurance companies that we have to pay you guys on time !!! That is SOCIALISTIC !!! It is not the government's business who we pay or how much. We the private insurance companies should have the right to decide whether we want to pay you, how much and when. We and we alone should decide if we want to insure you and for how long and we should be able to charge what the hell we want. No one should interfere !!!!
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are saying only liberals think? I guess I would not want you to do anything as radical as thinking...
    I've never implied you think at all Redress. On anything.

    You have my apology, if you've EVER thought other wise.
    Now that we've both "Insulted"' us both,,, Lets "Banter"

    Take care.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Yes. the program was so successful that they have to triple the number of people working on the claims. It cleared out dealers inventories and put people back to work.
    It is a feel good costly program that will only "help" on a temporary basis.

    Well it's not your father's Oldsmobile !! Ooops that's obsolete !!! So is this program. I meant Clunkmobile !!! Poor PRES Obama !! Lincoln had a nice car named after him so did President Pierce ( Pierce -Arrow). And even Pope had the defunct Popemobile. But President Obama will be known for that Clunkermobile !!
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Change the "people" to "I" and you have a factual claim.
    Still waiting for backup to your claim that I am trying to pass opinion as fact instead of admitting openly that what I am sharing is opinion. I can only assume that the reason you haven't is that I am correct in my post and that you are in fact the one guilty of what you are accusing...Hypocrisy, how....fitting

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    News, Weather and Sports for Sioux Falls, South Dakota, Minnesota and Iowa

    This is the government you want running your healthcare?
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    Let me EDGIMATKATE YOU.
    A bill for healthcare will be passed and it will be passed with Repubs aproval.

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    Did the one that RUINED MY Country bush run this Country better???
    **** NO!!!
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Please show me where I have made my opinions to be fact...In fact i usually lead in things such as "In my opinion" or "I believe"

    Thanks for your input though
    Really? Let's review most of your comments on this thread, show me where you claimed that it was "in your opinion" first:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    The only point I am trying to make is that things COULD be worse, and while this program COULD be a bad idea, there is no way to know that for sure, so while I support your right to disagree with it, I don't agree with your blatantly saying it won't work with no way of knowing.
    Pure speculation with zero data to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    It's a problem when American companies generating BILLIONS in revenue move to off shore operations in the Caymans to get around paying taxes, while foolishly spending both shareholder and now taxpayer money on executive perks.
    Pure hyperbole with zero data to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    The problem that I have is the very obvious class warfare that is happening, where the rich get richer, and the poor continuously get poorer. Corporations are given too much power and as you know "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
    False statement with zero data to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    but as it stands right now, corporate greed DOES stand in the way of all those goals and instead perpetually just benefits the people at the top, because it's too easy for them not too.
    False hyperbolic statement with zero data to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    For example. From 2002 Halliburton paid 0 dollars in federal taxes for four of five years?
    A claim that requires support; speculative at best that any company claiming profits paid zero dollars in taxes. But it is your claim, I challenge you to support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Dennis Kozlowski, disgraced CEO of Tyco International, paid himself 300 million a year (which by the way, he'd incorporated in Bermuda to avoid paying pesky U.S. taxes)
    I am not sure there are any facts to support this claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    while his company tanked losing shareholders 80 BILLION in just his last year in control. His shareholders were also billed for a 30 million dollar, fifteen thousand square foot estate in Boca Raton, an almost 17 million dollar home on fifth avenue (plus approximately 15 million in renovations) and even a home in New York for his EX, i repeat EX wife.
    This one is begging for a point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    This is just one of MANY examples of how executive power has become just too great, and how greedy and huge corporations have become. This was the reason anti-trust legislation was created in the first place, although now, altogether ignored, for all intents and purposes.
    False arguments while selectively singling out two companies to make a broad false generalization of all corporations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    You are absolutely right, you can support this OPINION and more power to you. We are supporting our opinion. I at least have the ability to say I may be wrong, you are just arrogant in your absolute certainty that you are correct.
    This comment is comedic; I am trying to see where there is anything for me to admit I am wrong about.

    My argument is nothing but factual; $1.6 trillion deficit and over 6,000,000 jobs lost. Obama's program based on the last 180 days has been an abject failure and we continue to shed hundreds of thousands of jobs every month.

    Okay, I am still searching for: "In fact i usually lead in things such as "In my opinion" or "I believe."

    NEXT!
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Still waiting for backup to your claim that I am trying to pass opinion as fact instead of admitting openly that what I am sharing is opinion. I can only assume that the reason you haven't is that I am correct in my post and that you are in fact the one guilty of what you are accusing...Hypocrisy, how....fitting
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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Hey TD: U.S. private job losses down, factory orders up - Yahoo! News

    Private employers cut 298,000 job positions last month, according to the ADP Employer Services report, jointly developed with Macroeconomic Advisers LLC.

    That beat the 360,000 job losses seen in July, a month in which ADP initially said the economy shed 371,000 jobs.

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    Outplacement consultancy Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc said planned layoffs at U.S. firms fell 21 percent in August, boosting hopes for improved consumer spending in the coming months.

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    A separate report from the Labor Department showed U.S. nonfarm productivity rose at a 6.6 annual rate in the second quarter, the biggest increase since the third quarter of 2003.

    Other data showed new orders at U.S. factories rose 1.3 percent in July after gaining 0.9 percent the prior month, lifted primarily by transportation and civilian aircraft orders.

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