Truth Doctor said:
I ma failry certain based on your diatribes, that you have NO idea what my argument is; why don’t you tell me what you think it is.
Truth Doctor said:
My argument is nothing but factual; $1.6 trillion deficit and over 6,000,000 jobs lost. Obama's program based on the last 180 days has been an abject failure and we continue to shed hundreds of thousands of jobs every month.
This was your first argument. It is a non-Sequitur becuase it affirms the consequent. I already have discounted this arguement in my first post.
Truth Doctor said:
Your notions about what constitutes a straw man are about as trite as your economic assertions about the benefits of Cash for Clunkers.
It is, I argued cash for clunkers was effective at increasing demand for cars, the amount of cars sold, and stimulating the auto industry. You asked me if I was arguing in support of something different, the entire government budget, so you could easily tear it down.
This seems to fit another fallicy you continue to make, Division.
Cash for clunkers is not the only part of the government budget that created the $1.6 trillion defecit; in fact, it is a small part of it. Cash for clunkers was expected to cost $3 billion, thats 0.2% of the entire defecit and 0.1% of the entire budget ($3 trillion).
Truth Detector said:
With that, it begs the question; how does taking money from one class of individual and giving it to another class of individual for purely partisan political purposes going to help an economic recession?
You fail again to support your conclusion (hence why you say you are begging the question, which is a fallicy in a debate); that it will not help and it is purely partisan, and leave me with the burden of proof. You cannot simply assert an arguement.
Truth Detector said:
In other words, what this program constitutes, as does the whole notion about the stimulus (pork project) program, is merely an attempt to dip the water bucket into one side of the economic lake, walking over to the other side having a BIG news conference while pouring the water back into the lake claiming you are increasing the level of the lake.
How does that make consumers start buying again?
In theory, it encourages consumers start buying again by offering incentives to buy a car. In practice it seems to have worked.
I will stick with my original argument that it has in fact helped to increase the demand for cars and the amount of cars sold as well as stimulate the auto industry.
The article contains information to back up my arguement:
“Auto makers will release their monthly sales reports Tuesday and they're expected to show the first year-to-year increase since 2007.
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During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles…”
I want to make sure you realize this is information saying the auto industry has been stimulated by increased sales and the particular car dealership in the article sold a large amount of cars during the month cash for clunkers was running. These are not my opinions.
Truth Doctor said:
Wrong; I am saying that stealing money from one class of taxpayer to give it to another taxpayer for a program as dumb as “cash for clunkers” where perfectly serviceable cars are also demolished does NOTHING to boost economic output other than having a very temporary effect that will just extend the suffering.
Maybe if you did not argue by question I would know your position. Still, you were asking me if my arguement was suggesting watching the debt increase everyday was a good thing. I said no. Do I really have to state my arguement again?
You also introduce a previously unsaid position, that cash for clunkers is stupid for demolishing used cars.
I disagree with this aspect of the program as well. My original position on cash for clunkers remains, however.
Truth Doctor said:
My argument will bear itself out when after the next quarter jobs continue to disappear, unemployment continues to rise, consumers continue to hold onto what little cash they have, businesses continue to shut down at an alarming rate, banks continue to close at an alarming rate, home foreclosures continue to climb and commercial foreclosures become the latest news.
Unlike you, I cannot wallow in self induced denial pretending that this administration has the first clue about economics based on the idiotic assumption that Government can borrow and print their way into an economic recovery based on purely partisan political purposes.
The bottom line is that up until now, the Democrat morons who infest our Government have been dishonest about the tax increases it will take to pay for their beloved Librul agenda; but the bottom line is that it will be ALL of us who continue to pay for it and will continue to stifle recovery because of the criminally negligent way this Government is spending.
Those are FACTS, not just OPINIONS. We haven’t even touched on the effect State Governments like Michigan’s, New York’s and California’s are impacting consumer confidence with their own vast set of tax increases and failed Democrat policies.
You have argued with opinion and fallicy. You may have presented facts about the economy and debt but you fail to recognize the connection you draw with those facts and cash for clunkers is fallacious.