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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The irony is that this is coming from the same Libruls who claimed Bush wasn't creating enough jobs with a 4.6% unemployment rate.
    Bush inherited a 4% unemployment rate and more than DOUBLED it when he left office to 8.1%.

    Obama's been in office 7 months, and you expect the numbers to automatically drop?

    If you can't even begin your arguments based on facts, why should anyone take you seriously?

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not a "job" if it's not a career. If you think seasonal/temp work = "job creation", you were never talking about what we were talking about when we were discussing "job creation".
    Hey Jerry, want to guess how many people got called back to their career work due to this program? I will give you a hint, GM alone called back over 1000 workers, and this drives work for GM suppliers, both part suppliers and raw material suppliers(ie, steelworkers are getting called back to work too).

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hey Jerry, want to guess how many people got called back to their career work due to this program? I will give you a hint, GM alone called back over 1000 workers, and this drives work for GM suppliers, both part suppliers and raw material suppliers(ie, steelworkers are getting called back to work too).
    Yeah about that, my mother works for NUMMI in Fremont CA...at least she will until March of 2010, when thanks to Obama telling GM to pull out of NUMMI, will close it's doors.

    Wana guess how much I give a **** about 1,000 workers when jobs are still at a net loss?

    This is like when Obama said he would split the deficit in half. Yeah, he will spit the deficit...after he triples it. 1x3=3 (tripped deficit) 3x0.5 (Obama's "split") = 1.5....therefore Obama will increase the deficit: another reason NOT to vote for him.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah about that, my mother works for NUMMI in Fremont CA...at least she will until March of 2010, when thanks to Obama telling GM to pull out of NUMMI, will close it's doors.
    Can you point to where Obama told GM to pull out of the venture:

    On June 29, 2009 General Motors announced that they would discontinue the joint venture with Toyota.[5] The announcement was made following GM CEO Fritz Henderson announcing in April that General Motors would discontinue the Pontiac Vibe production at NUMMI. The two automakers were in discussions but could not find a suitable product to be produced at the factory. “After extensive analysis, GM and Toyota could not reach an agreement on a future product plan that made sense for all parties,” GM North America President Troy Clarke said in a statement. "Toyota’s hope was to continue the venture and we haven’t yet decided any plans at the factory,” said Hideaki Homma, Toyota’s Tokyo-based spokesman. “While we respect this decision by GM, the economic and business environment surrounding Toyota is also extremely severe, and so this decision by GM makes the situation even more difficult for Toyota.”
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI]NUMMI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah about that, my mother works for NUMMI in Fremont CA...at least she will until March of 2010, when thanks to Obama telling GM to pull out of NUMMI, will close it's doors.

    Wana guess how much I give a **** about 1,000 workers when jobs are still at a net loss?

    This is like when Obama said he would split the deficit in half. Yeah, he will spit the deficit...after he triples it. 1x3=3 (tripped deficit) 3x0.5 (Obama's "split") = 1.5....therefore Obama will increase the deficit: another reason NOT to vote for him.
    So what you are saying is that it is somehow wrong that GM decided to stop making an unprofitable car line? Damn them for trying to be profitable!

    Further, your mother is one person, and has nothing to do with the point I was arguing, which is that CARS is providing a boost in jobs.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Can you point to where Obama told GM to pull out of the venture:



    NUMMI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The decision to discontinue the Pontiac line of cars was made in discussion with the automotive task force. The decision was not political in nature, but based on what lines where most likely to be profitable. GM Said to Keep GMC, Eliminate Pontiac in New Plan (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So what you are saying is that it is somehow wrong that GM decided to stop making an unprofitable car line? Damn them for trying to be profitable!
    You are aware that Obama told GM to stop making it's other profitable car lines, right? Reason: the were deemed to be environmentally unfriendly by his global warming radical constituents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Further, your mother is one person, and has nothing to do with the point I was arguing, which is that CARS is providing a boost in jobs.
    Yes, my mother is one person, but as she is not the ONLY person loosing her job when NUMMI fires EVERYONE, she is in fact a representative sample of the greater population in question.

    CARS is not providing a boost in jobs.

    Stop lying.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You are aware that Obama told GM to stop making it's other profitable car lines, right? Reason: the were deemed to be environmentally unfriendly by his global warming radical constituents.
    I linked in my next post to the story about discontinuing Pontiac. No where does it say the government made the decision. Can you prove this assertion?



    Yes, my mother is one person, but as she is not the ONLY person loosing her job when NUMMI fires EVERYONE, she is in fact a representative sample of the greater population in question.
    NUMMI's problem is that GM and Toyota decided not to continue using it. Just GM has already called back more workers than is employed by the whole of NUMMI. Further, NUMMI and it's closing has zero to do with the CARS program, and this is just another of your usual attempts to hide what you don't want to admit, which is that CARS has resulted in people getting called back to work in decent numbers.

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That would be like me cutting one employee's salary so I can give another employee a raise, so the second employee won't quit.

    It's called, "robbing Peter to pay Paul".
    I know you get it Apdst, I am trying to help Joe to "get it."

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    Re: Dealers Still Waiting For 'Clunker' Cash...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That would be like me cutting one employee's salary so I can give another employee a raise, so the second employee won't quit.

    It's called, "robbing Peter to pay Paul".
    Terrible analogy...Corporate exec's have been "robbing peter to pay paul" for years...The only problem is paul is themselves and peter is already broke. Corporate greed is out of control.

    As to the discussion at hand, there is no way to know whether the program will work in the long haul, like most every program. You can say that you agree or disagree with it, but to expect immediate effects, either for good or for bad is just disingenuous. I do however, think this is a step in the right direction, and I hope for our workers and our country that this will help get what is a crucial part of our economy and livelyhood back on track.

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