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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Stop crying like a baby detached from the boob.

    You are the CIA, you were trained to be betrayed!

    This is what you do!!!!!

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    I would imagine that there spirits started too be fairly low about the time Bush and Cheney decided to out their covert agents for political gain.

    Now the CIA is being used as fall guys to cover Bush and Cheney's lying asses along with our troops.

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Hey Prof--

    Make an effort to follow the rules, here, okay kid.

    The title of the thread must match the title of the article. You can not edit the title to say what you want it to say -- leave that crap to Sean Hannity.

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Hey guess what Goldendog, Valarie wasn't covert, and a Robert Novak "outed" her.
    Quod scripsi, scripsi

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Hey guess what Goldendog, Valarie wasn't covert, and a Robert Novak "outed" her.

    Legal documents published in the course of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, United States v. Libby, and Congressional investigations, fully establish her classified employment as a COVERT officer for the CIA at the time that Novak's column was published in July 2003.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame]Valerie Plame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Novak was a Bush/Cheney stooge...and she was covert.

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    The first thing a crook wants to do when they want to out a COVERT CIA AGENT for political gain is find a stooge reporter to do it for you.

    Ask Karl Rove he'll tell you.

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Which law has been violated? The domestic and international definitions of torture are entirely subjective as both use the subjective qualifier of "severe" so in actuality ones definition of torture is left to their own personal opinion of what qualifies as severe. I don't consider things; such as, waterboarding as severe. There needs to be a set standard of what exactly is and is not permitted as interrogation techniques and until that happens no law could have been violated and seeing as we in the U.S. have a constitutional prohibition of ex post facto prosecution these officers can not be prosecuted for the alleged mistreatment of detainees.
    It's not a question whether waterboarding is torture. It is, and officials inside both Administrations have admitted it or admitted to outright torture itself. You have no idea what your are talking about. You don't want investigations because you're a typical right wing Authoritarian who has no respect for the Rule of Law.


    Associated Press, April 11, 2008:

    Bush administration officials from Vice President Dick Cheney on down signed off on using harsh interrogation techniques against suspected terrorists after asking the Justice Department to endorse their legality, The Associated Press has learned.

    The officials also took care to insulate President Bush from a series of meetings where CIA interrogation methods, including waterboarding, which simulates drowning, were discussed and ultimately approved. . . .

    The meetings were held in the White House Situation Room in the years immediately following the Sept. 11 attacks. Attending the sessions were Cheney, then-Bush aides Attorney General John Ashcroft, Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

    Agence France-Presse, October 15, 2008:

    The administration of US President George W. Bush authorized the CIA to waterboard Al-Qaeda suspects according to two secret memos issued in 2003 and 2004, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

    Soon-to-be U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, 1/15/2009:

    President-elect Barack Obama's nominee for attorney general said unequivocally Thursday that waterboarding is torture . . .

    Early on he was asked whether waterboarding, a technique that makes a prisoner believe he is in danger of drowning, constitutes torture and is illegal.

    "If you look at the history of the use of that technique, " Holder replied, "we prosecuted our own soldiers for using it in Vietnam. . . . Waterboarding is torture."


    Bush official Susan Crawford, 1/13/2009:

    The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition."

    "We tortured [Mohammed al-] Qahtani," said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case" for prosecution."

    Current Attorney General Michael Mukasey, 1/17/2009:

    "Torture is a crime," Mr. Mukasey said in an interview Friday . . . .

    CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (signed by the U.S. under Ronald Reagan):

    Article 2

    1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.

    2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
    3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture. . . .

    Article 4

    1. Each State Party shall ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law. The same shall apply to an attempt to commit torture and to an act by any person which constitutes complicity or participation in torture.

    Article 7

    1. The State Party in territory under whose jurisdiction a person alleged to have committed any offence referred to in article 4 is found, shall in the cases contemplated in article 5, if it does not extradite him, submit the case to its competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution.

    Article 15

    Each State Party shall ensure that any statement which is established to have been made as a result of torture shall not be invoked as evidence in any proceedings, except against a person accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made.

    Ronald Reagan, 5/20/1988, transmitting Treaty to the U.S. Senate:

    The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

    U.S. Constitution, Article VI:

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Soon-to-be Attorney General Eric Holder, 1/15/2009 (repeatedly):

    "No one is above the law."
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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Boo hoo! How terrible!

    There is a small chance the US might uphold the law!

    How unfair of them to do that to "Patriots" who tortured other human beings in the name of Freedom!
    Oh yeah? How about looking into the allegations that the DOJ and State Department and National Security Agency, and the CIA are all involved in trafficking drugs in the US? No, it didn't stop in the 80s it still continues to this day. Why not look into that? It makes better sense than punishing one branch for its employees following orders from the president.

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Oh yeah? How about looking into the allegations that the DOJ and State Department and National Security Agency, and the CIA are all involved in trafficking drugs in the US? No, it didn't stop in the 80s it still continues to this day. Why not look into that? It makes better sense than punishing one branch for its employees following orders from the president.
    Coo coo for coco puffs......Coo coo for coco puffs.....OMG!!!!!!!!!!

    The nuts we have in this forum!

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    Re: Low Spirits at CIA

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Coo coo for coco puffs......Coo coo for coco puffs.....OMG!!!!!!!!!!

    The nuts we have in this forum!
    No nuts..just the truth. The government has been corrupt for a long time and it isn't just the CIA, that is.

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