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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    A perfect example that fits well with my post above.

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    And absolutely true to boot! (you don't really deny that, do you??....Really??)

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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    And absolutely true to boot! (you don't really deny that, do you??....Really??)
    I don't deny at all that you are trying to turn this into another "I hate Bush" thread, just like you all do with nearly every thread, on just about every possible topic.

    It's what you people do.

    I know this may come as a shock to you... But George Bush isn't president anymore. The good news is, there are professionals that can help you with your obsession.

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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I don't deny at all that you are trying to turn this into another "I hate Bush" thread, just like you all do with nearly every thread, on just about every possible topic.

    It's what you people do.

    I know this may come as a shock to you... But George Bush isn't president anymore. The good news is, there are professionals that can help you with your obsession.
    But he's the real subject of this thread & his regime almost destroyed this country! (kinda hard to forget that)

    (Ridge's moment of honesty...(b4 the GOP got to him) is just the latest in a string of former Bushies who are blowing the whistle on that corrupt regime)
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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The topic here is the Ridge book.
    Is it? Really? Coulda fooled me. Cuz the subject of nearly all of your posts is...

    the hate-driven left

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    every liberal on the internet

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    Generalize much?
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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As proof for your claim, you just cited an online poll with 91 respondents from some website that I've never heard of.
    Completely irrelevant. I did not assert that the poll was scientifically conducted, nor vast and wide-ranging, and do not consider it so myself. Nor do I consider Rush Limbaugh to be the man behind the curtain who, with full approval and cooperation of our literal political leaders, manipulates government and society as he wishes (I give no credence to nutty conspiracy theories of this sort). He's nothing more than a hyper-partisan entertainer to whom enormous numbers of conservatives give credence, and at least some fealty.

    Clearly, a certain number of average everyday conservatives equate "most influential/powerful" with "leader." And I think it's safe to say that Limbaugh is one of, if not THE, most influential and powerful Republicans extant - a leader of sorts. Further, the literal leader of the Republican party considers Limbaugh to be a leader of his party (see quoted material below).

    The nifty poll I linked to proves this, if even in a small way (I used it because the fact that more than half of the respondents voted "Nobody" was so hilarious ). Of course, there are much better examples of Limbaugh's public influence among powerful conservative politicians, which is a lot more frightening than the fealty he enjoys from the average everyday radio listener:

    Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele says he has reached out to Rush Limbaugh to tell him he meant no offense when he referred to the popular conservative radio host as an “entertainer” whose show can be “incendiary.”

    “My intent was not to go after Rush – I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,” Steele said in a telephone interview. “I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. … There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.” --Politico

    Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.) apologized Wednesday to “my fellow conservatives” for comments critical of talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh – saying he sees “eye-to-eye” with Limbaugh and that his remarks defending House Republican leadership came across more harshly than intended.

    “I regret and apologize for the fact that my comments have offended and upset my fellow conservatives—that was not my intent,” Gingrey said in a statement.

    Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and other conservative giants are the voices of the conservative movement’s conscience. Everyday, millions and millions of Americans—myself included—turn on their radios and televisions to listen to what they have to say, and we are inspired by their words and by their determination,” Gingrey said.

    * * * * *

    Responding to President Barack Obama’s recommendation to Republican congressional leaders last week that they not follow Limbaugh’s lead, Limbaugh said on his show that Obama is “obviously more frightened of me than he is Mitch McConnell. He’s more frightened of me than he is of, say, John Boehner, which doesn’t say much about our party.”

    Gingrey came to his leaders’ defense.

    “I think that our leadership, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, are taking the right approach,” Gingrey said.

    I mean, it’s easy if you’re Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or even sometimes Newt Gingrich to stand back and throw bricks. You don’t have to try to do what’s best for your people and your party. You know you’re just on these talk shows and you’re living well and plus you stir up a bit of controversy and gin the base and that sort of thing. But when it comes to true leadership, not that these people couldn’t be or wouldn’t be good leaders, they’re not in that position of John Boehner or Mitch McConnell,” Gingrey said. --Politico

    Like an iceberg, I suspect the portion of personal/private fealty some Republican leaders give to Rush (i.e., not exhibited publicly) is vastly larger.

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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    We all have to wonder how much credibility Ridge actually has, when he writes this: "Is this about security or politics?"

    But then later, says this: ""I don't think it was ever politics."

    He's a tool. And a soft one, at that.

    Gee, who would EVER be so silly as to accuse politicians of being political?!?
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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    We all have to wonder how much credibility Ridge actually has, when he writes this: "Is this about security or politics?"

    But then later, says this: ""I don't think it was ever politics."

    He's a tool. And a soft one, at that.

    Gee, who would EVER be so silly as to accuse politicians of being political?!?
    I disagree that Ridge is a "tool", but rather the one's desperately trying to imply that the terror warnings were a successful sinister political Bush strategy (mind you according to these same “tools” he is a moron) that caused John Kerry to lose the 2004 election; now that is truly the definition of a "tool."


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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I disagree that Ridge is a "tool",
    how is he not? I quoted him contradicting himself. He depicts himself as first having a mind of his own, then denies that ever had second thoughts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    [snipped: "Truth" Detector attempting to change the subject]
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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    In light of this, don't you think it's pretty obvious that we would see an increase in threats and corresponding alerts in the months leading up to the election? To me, this offers a perfectly reasonable explanation for why we saw an increasing number of alerts that dropped off after the election.

    If there's an obvious explanation in front of me, I'm not going to go out of my way to find a conspiracy.
    Fair enough, but why was there only three or four after the election until Bush left office? There were something like 6 or 7 leading up the election and only a handful after. That would imply there were not threats after the election despite the US being no more safer than it was before the election. That terrorists were no longer coming after us after the election or that we stopped looking. I find that INCREDIBLY difficult to believe.

    Furthermore, I stopped trusting anything that came out of the Bush administration a long time ago. Just because they say they never did it doesn't mean squat to me, especially after Rummy stated on record his job was to manipulate and lie to the press.
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    Re: Ridge backpedals on pressure to raise terror alert level

    Alright......I just watched Tom Ridge on Chris Matthew's show "Hardball" & here is my honest opinion his performance:

    1. Ridge says in his book that he was concerned that politics was motivating some high ranking members of the Bush admin (Rumsfeld & Ashcroft) to recommend increasing the national threat warning levels just b4 the 2004 election.
    2. That threat level was not raised as there was no security threat reason to do so.


    Opinion:
    Ridge is now trying to have it both ways in that:
    .... 1. He wants his book to sell well
    .... 2. He doesn't want to anger his GOP friends

    PROBLEM:

    He can't have it both ways.


    The fact that the threat warning level was not raised does not negate the fact that he felt that politics...Not national security...was the real motivation some to try to get the threat level raised. (he felt strong enough about this to leave government service)



    Ridge felt that our security situation was being used by some high ranking Bush officials to help get him (Bush) re-elected in 2004. Therefore, I think the Hatch Act was being violated at that meeting & that Ridge is now SPINNING to take back his words.

    My opinion of Tom Ridge as an honest man has ended. He is just another partisan liar.
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