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Lockerbie bomber 'set free for oil'

P/N said:
Sorry, but if it's too much effort for you to prove something as ridiculous as you claimed, it's just dismissed as a red herring. Or maybe it's that there is no proof, only opinion not based on any, you know, facts? :roll:
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or maybe people like you are not worth my time.
 
Laila said:
Lockerbie bomber 'set free for oil' - Times Online

I knew it wasn't on compassionate release and Westminister had a hand to play. I called it from the beginning.
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MacAskill should not still be in his job. The whole point of being an SNP member is basically NOT to leave own's nation looking foolish by allowing Westminister to pull your puppet-strings.

And yeah, I suppose it was too much to hope this release was completely based on compassionate grounds. I defended it on those grounds. I certainly don't defend it on these grounds, however. I wonder how this news is affecting families of the Lockerbie dead, that the man responsible for the deaths of their relatives has gone free so the coffers of the government can be filled.
 
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If he doesn't die from being terminally ill in 3 months can someone UAV strike him maybe?
 
NEUROSPORT said:
or maybe people like you are not worth my time.
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So you have no proof. It seems as though I've exposed another red herring. But I knew that before I posted asking for proof. :roll:
 
jamesrage said:
The title of the thread should be "UK pisses and ****s all over the victims of terrorist for oil"
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Don't act like you have some sort of moral ground mate. It doesn't wash here.

Your country probably does back alley deals many times over for oil.

He is out now. Ensure UK business gets the monopoy in Libya in regards to the oil deals above American and other companies.

I want a PM and politicans who fights for British interests over everything else and if we piss off US on the way ... well ... its not like it is the first time they have pissed us off. They will get over it.
 
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Anima said:
MacAskill should not still be in his job. The whole point of being an SNP member is basically NOT to leave own's nation looking foolish by allowing Westminister to pull your puppet-strings.

And yeah, I suppose it was too much to hope this release was completely based on compassionate grounds. I defended it on those grounds. I certainly don't defend it on these grounds, however. I wonder how this news is affecting families of the Lockerbie dead, that the man responsible for the deaths of their relatives has gone free so the coffers of the government can be filled.
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Scotland is still in the United Kingdom. What it does affects the rest of the Union in a negative way if it does something as stupid as this. It would be nice if SNP remembers that.

Don't beat him up over it tho
Westminister is still soverign over the devolved assemblies. It can still take power and besides, SNP probably thought it'd be Scotland getting the investment not UK/England.

I didn't defend the release on any grounds but now he is out because MacAsill allowed it. May as well line our coffers
 
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Laila said:
Don't act like you have some sort of moral ground mate. It doesn't wash here.

Your country probably does back alley deals many times over for oil.
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Really? Which mass murdering terrorist did we release for oil?
 
jamesrage said:
Really? Which mass murdering terrorist did we release for oil?
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Oh no no mass murderer.

Just invade a country and cause a civil war and oil played a factor along with the lies that was invisible weapons.
Make deals and work with a nation that stone women, rape them and live in the middle ages and it is US money that keeps the regime from falling ...
I wonder how many corrupt african govts. have trade with US.

As i said.
US would probably do the same thing if oil was in it. This "outrage" is amusing.
Its fine if we do it but god forbid if someone else does

He shouldn't have been released but Scotland made that decision, may as well benefit British businesses.
 
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Who wants to bet that the dude ain't even got cancer?
 
apdst said:
Who wants to bet that the dude ain't even got cancer?
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He has cancer most likely but i bet he will not die in 3 months time.
 
We'll see, I reckon.
 
Anima said:
The whole point of being an SNP member is basically NOT to leave own's nation looking foolish by allowing Westminister to pull your puppet-strings..
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Just found this Anima.
Can't edit my last post to you.

Downing Street approved Lockerbie bomber deal

Gordon Brown was dragged into the centre of the row over the early release of the Lockerbie bomber last night after it emerged that a key decision that could have paved the way for the terrorist to serve his sentence in Libya was approved by Downing Street.

A source close to Jack Straw told The Times that the move to include Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi in a prisoner transfer agreement in 2007 was a government decision and was not made at the sole discretion of the Justice Secretary. “It wasn’t just Jack who decided this. It was a Government decision. Jack did not act unilaterally.”
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Government insiders insisted that the terms of the agreement did not relate to a specific £15 billion oil and gas exploration deal in Libya for BP, the British oil group, secured that year.
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Downing Street approved Lockerbie bomber deal - Times Online

Just coincidence then eh Government? lol
 
As always in regards to this case, it seems like I am talking to a brick wall.

However, I feel obliged to point out again that Megrahi was included to be eligible in a 2007 prisoner transfer agreement to help mend relations bewteen the two countries. This did not mean Megrahi would actually be transferred under the agreement, that decision would ultimately be up to the Scottish executive, Jack Straw was simply informing Kenny MacAskill, his opposite number in Scotland, of how the situation had developed.

A week ago Kenny MacAskill rejected releasing Megrahi under the prisoner transfer agreement and instead freed him on compassionate release.

Anyone who understands Scottish politics knows how jealously the SNP will protect their limited powers in Scotland, they would not have made the largest decision in the history of the Scottish executives short life because of one letter from Westminster sent over 2 years ago.
 
P/N said:
So you have no proof. It seems as though I've exposed another red herring. But I knew that before I posted asking for proof. :roll:
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should i also prove to you that sun rises in the morning and sets at night ?

because its too much work for you to look out the window ?

buzz off. you're a joke.
 
apdst said:
Who wants to bet that the dude ain't even got cancer?
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there is a 260 pound bodybuilder in a gym i used to go to who is twice as big as everybody else there. when everybody asks him if he takes steroids he says that he has cancer and his doctor prescribes him steroids for it.

no joke, that's what he says !

well they may or may not have cancer - both of them. doesn't really matter i think.
 
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Laila said:
Scotland is still in the United Kingdom. What it does affects the rest of the Union in a negative way if it does something as stupid as this. It would be nice if SNP remembers that.
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It looks as if this particular stupid thing was an SNP/Westminster team effort.

Laila said:
Don't beat him up over it tho
Westminister is still soverign over the devolved assemblies. It can still take power and besides, SNP probably thought it'd be Scotland getting the investment not UK/England.
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I'm angry, and annoyed. He's made this country look like an ass so Westminster can benefit financially from a better trade link with Libya. Forgetting of course that he's meant to represnt OUR interestsabove all else.

Laila said:
I didn't defend the release on any grounds but now he is out because MacAsill allowed it. May as well line our coffers
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I only supported himbeing released on compassionate grounds. I suppose it still is compassionate, in a way. He's still very sick. But there's a whole other dimension to this now that I really don't like.
 
Laila said:
Oh no no mass murderer.

Just invade a country and cause a civil war and oil played a factor along with the lies that was invisible weapons.
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Let me guess you have the nerve to mock Obama birthers and 9-11 truffers?


Make deals and work with a nation that stone women, rape them and live in the middle ages and it is US money that keeps the regime from falling ...
I wonder how many corrupt african govts. have trade with US.
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Those nations are doing that to their own people, it is not the same thing as crapping all over victims of a mass murdering terrorist in exchange for oil.
As i said.
US would probably do the same thing if oil was in it. This "outrage" is amusing.
Its fine if we do it but god forbid if someone else does
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If the US did the same thing the UK did we would condemn our politicians for ****ting on the victims of terrorists. I would be calling,writing, faxing or emailing my elected officials asking what them **** and why on earth should they have job or not be impeached, I wouldn't be trying to pin it on a particular state or territory.


He shouldn't have been released but Scotland made that decision, may as well benefit British businesses.
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If Scotland did it was because the UK allowed it,this oh its only on the Scots is a cop out. Isn't Scotland a UK territory or state not its own country, wouldn't it be the same as Oklahoma releasing Terry Nichols?
 
NEUROSPORT said:
doesn't that make you a conspiracy theorist ? hahahaha ! ! !

i am shocked ! you people can actually THINK ? ? ? i thought all you do is bend over for your government and mass media.

maybe you even knew Iraq was about Oil ? or Iran ? shocking ! ! !
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If Iraq was about oil we would have simply accepted Saddam's generous PSA offer and lift the sanctions. If Iran was about oil we would simply lift the damn embargo.
 
NEUROSPORT said:
in the interests of British Petroleum a democratic government in Iran was overthrown a while back.
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Try again sport it was Mossadeq not the Shah who overthrew the democratic government of Iran but continue spouting your revisionist bs.


they tried to do it again just recently but failed.
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"They"??? Oh you mean the Iranian people?

They bombed their own citizens on 7/7 to keep the agenda alive.
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Well that explains it you're a ****ing nut.
 
jamesrage said:
Let me guess you have the nerve to mock Obama birthers and 9-11 truffers?

Those nations are doing that to their own people, it is not the same thing as crapping all over victims of a mass murdering terrorist in exchange for oil.
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It does when it is US money that helps it stay in power.
You think if US stopped funding SA, the royalty would last?
It serves in US's interests to keep them strong

If the US did the same thing the UK did we would condemn our politicians for ****ting on the victims of terrorists. I would be calling,writing, faxing or emailing my elected officials asking what them **** and why on earth should they have job or not be impeached, I wouldn't be trying to pin it on a particular state or territory

If Scotland did it was because the UK allowed it,this oh its only on the Scots is a cop out. Isn't Scotland a UK territory or state not its own country, wouldn't it be the same as Oklahoma releasing Terry Nichols?
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Lovely to think so but i doubt it would make much difference.

Scotland has its own assembly, parliament as a product from devolution.
Westminister has relinquished control over areas of Scotland and other territories. Everyone knows that.
It needed Scotland's FM to release. England/Wales/N Ireland couldn't do it.
 
Anima said:
It looks as if this particular stupid thing was an SNP/Westminster team effort.
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Or perhaps the FM got played by Westminister.

I'm angry, and annoyed. He's made this country look like an ass so Westminster can benefit financially from a better trade link with Libya. Forgetting of course that he's meant to represnt OUR interestsabove all else.

I only supported himbeing released on compassionate grounds. I suppose it still is compassionate, in a way. He's still very sick. But there's a whole other dimension to this now that I really don't like.
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What is 'our' interests?
British interests lies in strengthening economic wherever possible.
In that if the ties are forged, Scotland would have helped to produce more money coming into UK.
 
NEUROSPORT said:
should i also prove to you that sun rises in the morning and sets at night ?

because its too much work for you to look out the window ?

buzz off. you're a joke.
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My only question is, are you unwilling to provide proof or you can't provide proof? And you really don't need to answer because I already know. I suppose that makes you the joke now doesn't it? :roll:
 
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